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Even more stupid: Canadian media and Twitter users saying they are “fringe” because by a poll (totally no incentive to lie on those), 85% of truckers are vaccin
by gjsman-1000 5y ago
Even more stupid: Canadian media and Twitter users saying they are “fringe” because by a poll (totally no incentive to lie on those), 85% of truckers are vaccinated.
To which I say:
A. I bet more than 15% are unvaccinated because why answer honestly with Canada’s level of restrictions and penalties?
B. If it is actually 15%, that’s not fringe, and also that’s low enough that dropping the mandate should be reasonable (see all the countries who dropped restrictions at 75%-80% vaccination).
- peteradio 5y agoIt makes no sense to assume that these guys aren't vaccinated anyway. They aren't against the vaccine, they are against the mandate!
- gruez 5y ago> They aren't against the vaccine, they are against the mandate! It makes no sense, but the amount of people who conflate the two is shockingly high. I guess strawmans are easier to argue against than someone who holds nuanced views. edit: one such example of someone who conflates the two https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30225017 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30225017
- ed25519FUUU 5y agoIt doesn’t help that they intentionally conflate the two issues by defining “anti-vaxxer” as anyone who “opposes regulations mandating vaccination”. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
- throwawaysea 5y agoFYI Merriam Webster is among the worst dictionaries. They are highly activist and have redefined words repeatedly to suit the progressive/far-left political platform. A couple examples (but there are more): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52993306 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52993306 https://www.dailywire.com/news/merriam-webster-suddenly-alters-definition-of-preference-after-dems-attack-coney-barrett https://www.dailywire.com/news/merriam-webster-suddenly-alte...
- pseudalopex 5y agoThey added systemic oppression of a racial group to the 3 definitions of racism they already had. Do you deny this is a common meaning? LGBT people objected to sexual preference since the 1980s at least.[1] [1] https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-07-23-8602230095-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-07-23-860223...
- scythe 5y ago>why answer honestly with Canada’s level of restrictions and penalties? Surely you jest. Polls are anonymous. And even if the security is bad, nobody is scrutinizing IP logs of poll respondents. Maybe in Kazakhstan or something, but freedom in the West has not fallen that far. People do lie on polls, of course, but it's usually about self-expression, not self-protection. I'd imagine that vaccinated truckers are more likely to report antagonism to vaccine mandates by lying about being unvaccinated vs. the reverse.
- gjsman-1000 5y agoThis poll was not conducted online.
- lowlevel 5y agoAnd probably had only answers that supported whatever hypothesis they were trying to assert.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoYou also have to consider that unvaccinated answering the poll honestly would be admitting to something that puts their livelihood on the line. I imagine that a disproportionate number would refuse to respond at all.
- gjsman-1000 5y agoImagine if I ran a nationwide poll asking if you’d ever had a felony conviction. I bet the numbers for that poll would be way lower than the real statistics. People don’t answer honestly on polls if they feel there is any way (even a perception) that this could come back and hurt them.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoOr if you asked if you got away with a felony crime!
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- bigodbiel 5y agoI can’t understand this dichotomy. Just because one is vaccinated, does not mean they are pro-mandates.
- behringer 5y agoI'm pro vaccine but the mandates and access cards and testing requirements makes me sick to my stomach
- lowlevel 5y agoI had to sign a letter with my employer stating that I accepted I could be terminated should I not be fully vaccinated by Dec 31, 2021. I feel a line has been crossed, and I fully support the idea that the mandate is bad. Vaccines are great, I voluntarily got it anyway, but I don't feel it's ok to say you deserve to be fired or worse (and I've heard much worse) if you decide the vaccine is not for you. I support the protest. It is not an anti-vax protest. I do not beleive it is about racisim or white supremacy despite what our prime minister says or thinks.
- tandymodel100 5y ago
- mistrial9 5y agoin the USA, a psychiatric patient, even if seriously ill, has the right to refuse medication. This non-negotiable law is in place exactly because of past generations battle over forced medications.
- gruez 5y ago>in the USA, a psychiatric patient, even if seriously ill, has the right to refuse medication even if involuntarily committed to a mental institution?
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- fourneau 5y agoOthers have already highlighted that you can be vaccinated and anti-mandate, which is what many people are focusing on. From a numbers perspective, 91.54% of Canadians 18+ have received at least one dose. 88.91% of 18+ have received two. It's /possible/ that truckers are widely unvaccinated (perhaps they all subscribe to the same train of thought), but it's unlikely.
- faeriechangling 5y agoAt this point a majority of Canadas anti-mandate movement, which recently became a majority is “vaccinated but anti-mandate” just because the numbers literally don’t allow for any other reality.
- carlivar 5y agoI am vaccinated, boosted, and anti mandate. "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." — Thomas Paine, Dissertation on First Principles of Government (1791)
- ZoomerCretin 5y agoYou don't have a right to cross a border and spread a deadly disease. As far as I'm aware, these truckers are allowed to work unvaccinated within their own country.
- carlivar 5y agoWhich disease, flu? They've likely been spreading that for decades.
- sudosysgen 5y agoVarious disease, actually. Not the flu, but most borders will ask that you're vaccinated for a whole host of diseases if you come for professional reasons.
- 908B64B197 5y ago> Canadian media and Twitter users saying they are “fringe” because by a poll (totally no incentive to lie on those), 85% of truckers are vaccinated. The state sponsored ones? At this point I don't think it's only about the vaccines.