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Also keep in mind that in the backdrop of all this is the fact that our Prime Minister has called the protesters racists and misogynists. Probably inspiring so

Also keep in mind that in the backdrop of all this is the fact that our Prime Minister has called the protesters racists and misogynists. Probably inspiring someone who ran over some protesters in Winnipeg. Canadian news and politicians are desperately trying to denounce the protesters while ignoring the fact that Canada has some of the harshest Covid restrictions in the world at the moment, while the US has hardly any and European nations are mostly moving to remove all restrictions.

gjsman-1000 5y ago
Even more stupid: Canadian media and Twitter users saying they are “fringe” because by a poll (totally no incentive to lie on those), 85% of truckers are vaccinated. To which I say: A. I bet more than 15% are unvaccinated because why answer honestly with Canada’s level of restrictions and penalties? B. If it is actually 15%, that’s not fringe, and also that’s low enough that dropping the mandate should be reasonable (see all the countries who dropped restrictions at 75%-80% vaccination).
- peteradio 5y ago
  It makes no sense to assume that these guys aren't vaccinated anyway. They aren't against the vaccine, they are against the mandate!
  - gruez 5y ago
    > They aren't against the vaccine, they are against the mandate! It makes no sense, but the amount of people who conflate the two is shockingly high. I guess strawmans are easier to argue against than someone who holds nuanced views. edit: one such example of someone who conflates the two https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30225017 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30225017
    - ed25519FUUU 5y ago
      It doesn’t help that they intentionally conflate the two issues by defining “anti-vaxxer” as anyone who “opposes regulations mandating vaccination”. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
      - throwawaysea 5y ago
        FYI Merriam Webster is among the worst dictionaries. They are highly activist and have redefined words repeatedly to suit the progressive/far-left political platform. A couple examples (but there are more): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52993306 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52993306 https://www.dailywire.com/news/merriam-webster-suddenly-alters-definition-of-preference-after-dems-attack-coney-barrett https://www.dailywire.com/news/merriam-webster-suddenly-alte...
        pseudalopex 5y ago
        They added systemic oppression of a racial group to the 3 definitions of racism they already had. Do you deny this is a common meaning? LGBT people objected to sexual preference since the 1980s at least.[1] [1] https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-07-23-8602230095-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-07-23-860223...
- scythe 5y ago
  >why answer honestly with Canada’s level of restrictions and penalties? Surely you jest. Polls are anonymous. And even if the security is bad, nobody is scrutinizing IP logs of poll respondents. Maybe in Kazakhstan or something, but freedom in the West has not fallen that far. People do lie on polls, of course, but it's usually about self-expression, not self-protection. I'd imagine that vaccinated truckers are more likely to report antagonism to vaccine mandates by lying about being unvaccinated vs. the reverse.
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    This poll was not conducted online.
    - lowlevel 5y ago
      And probably had only answers that supported whatever hypothesis they were trying to assert.
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    You also have to consider that unvaccinated answering the poll honestly would be admitting to something that puts their livelihood on the line. I imagine that a disproportionate number would refuse to respond at all.
    - gjsman-1000 5y ago
      Imagine if I ran a nationwide poll asking if you’d ever had a felony conviction. I bet the numbers for that poll would be way lower than the real statistics. People don’t answer honestly on polls if they feel there is any way (even a perception) that this could come back and hurt them.
      - s1artibartfast 5y ago
        Or if you asked if you got away with a felony crime!
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- bigodbiel 5y ago
  I can’t understand this dichotomy. Just because one is vaccinated, does not mean they are pro-mandates.
  - behringer 5y ago
    I'm pro vaccine but the mandates and access cards and testing requirements makes me sick to my stomach
    - lowlevel 5y ago
      I had to sign a letter with my employer stating that I accepted I could be terminated should I not be fully vaccinated by Dec 31, 2021. I feel a line has been crossed, and I fully support the idea that the mandate is bad. Vaccines are great, I voluntarily got it anyway, but I don't feel it's ok to say you deserve to be fired or worse (and I've heard much worse) if you decide the vaccine is not for you. I support the protest. It is not an anti-vax protest. I do not beleive it is about racisim or white supremacy despite what our prime minister says or thinks.
      - tandymodel100 5y ago
      - mistrial9 5y ago
        in the USA, a psychiatric patient, even if seriously ill, has the right to refuse medication. This non-negotiable law is in place exactly because of past generations battle over forced medications.
        gruez 5y ago
        >in the USA, a psychiatric patient, even if seriously ill, has the right to refuse medication even if involuntarily committed to a mental institution?
        5y ago
- fourneau 5y ago
  Others have already highlighted that you can be vaccinated and anti-mandate, which is what many people are focusing on. From a numbers perspective, 91.54% of Canadians 18+ have received at least one dose. 88.91% of 18+ have received two. It's /possible/ that truckers are widely unvaccinated (perhaps they all subscribe to the same train of thought), but it's unlikely.
  - faeriechangling 5y ago
    At this point a majority of Canadas anti-mandate movement, which recently became a majority is “vaccinated but anti-mandate” just because the numbers literally don’t allow for any other reality.
  - carlivar 5y ago
    I am vaccinated, boosted, and anti mandate. "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." — Thomas Paine, Dissertation on First Principles of Government (1791)
    - ZoomerCretin 5y ago
      You don't have a right to cross a border and spread a deadly disease. As far as I'm aware, these truckers are allowed to work unvaccinated within their own country.
      - carlivar 5y ago
        Which disease, flu? They've likely been spreading that for decades.
        sudosysgen 5y ago
        Various disease, actually. Not the flu, but most borders will ask that you're vaccinated for a whole host of diseases if you come for professional reasons.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > Canadian media and Twitter users saying they are “fringe” because by a poll (totally no incentive to lie on those), 85% of truckers are vaccinated. The state sponsored ones? At this point I don't think it's only about the vaccines.
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tandymodel100 5y ago
> protesters racists and misogynists That's probably because of the Nazi and Confederate flags people are waving. In my opinion, they should cry it out or quit given Canada's 1 dose vaccination rate is in the 80% range.
- blast 5y ago
  The video of the confederate flag guy shows that he was shunned by the protestors. https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1487834109678395392 https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1487834109678395392
  - tandymodel100 5y ago
- throwaway4aday 5y ago
  Last I heard, the convoy organizers put a bounty on the Nazi flag guy for any information leading to his identification. There is also video of protesters calling out the confederate flag guy and telling him to leave. Two assholes showing up to a protest don't represent the agenda of the entire group. The BLM riots had a much higher asshole ratio last time I checked.
  - tandymodel100 5y ago
- aksss 5y ago
  How silly is it to have a confederate flag at a Canadian protest, anyway, if not simply for shaping optics in the citizenry of the United States to tell them how to frame current events?? Screams of an orchestrated heuristic. If you’re aware of such a fringe factoid as flags appearing in the crowd but simultaneously unaware of the footage demonstrating these to be literally false flags you may want to diversify your information sources.
bko 5y ago
I'm concerned about 1st amendment and the soft power politicians have on freedom of speech (yes I know this is in Canada). When the head politician of a country essentially calls your group terrorist, wouldn't that put some pressure on social media or other organizations to restrict access, money or censor speech? Not all violations of free speech are literally police sending someone to jail for saying something. If the politicians pressure private organizations to censor speech, resulting in the speech being censored, then its absolutely a violation of free speech
- culi 5y ago
  Remember when Trump called antifa a terrorist org? I hope we've learned by now to stop taking the "terrorist" label seriously
  - Ekaros 5y ago
    Antifa is a terrorist organization. They have political goals that is fighting against political stance and they are trying to achieve this by violence.
    - scollet 5y ago
      Antifa is an ideology. The obvious choice is to support antifa because we've seen what profa does, and they are much more violent.
  - d0gsg0w00f 5y ago
    Just like people have stopped taking the "racist" label seriously.
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  - aksss 5y ago
    “Terror” about describes it if it’s your neighborhood and not just a scene on TV. The people breaking windows of businesses that don’t sport the right stickers or threatening violence against those not wearing the right clothes or making the right salutes are appropriately called “terrorists” if not worse. I don’t take the label terrorist to heart when it’s some bullshit overseas conflict, but I know what structure fires look like, I know what mob frenzy looks like. I know what actual political violence looks like. I know how dangerous self-righteous violence can be. Calling antifa terrorists is spot on because that’s what they were/are as demonstrated/experienced by their actions and goals (of which, ant-fascism seems about opposite).
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- buscoquadnary 5y ago
  No they are protesting vaccine mandates they are two very different things.
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- Mikeb85 5y ago
  They're protesting against mandates. Which most of the world is lifting... And I'm not on the truckers' side per se... But the response from the government has been shocking and I'm sure as hell not on the government's side. For the record, I'm vaccinated. Not an anti-vaxxer. Literally just went to Europe and came back. Getting out of and back into Canada was the most onerous part of the trip.
  - folio8768473 5y ago
    Just to be clear, the government of Canada doesn't mandate vaccination of truckers, what it mandates is for non-vaccinated individuals (which includes truckers) that are entering Canada through the border that they must get tested and quarantine on entry. So if you can't prove vaccination on entry, you need to have a proof of negative test and quarantine a few days. I just want to point that out, because it seems the media has taken to make it sound like the Canadian government wants to force vaccinations on truckers, it doesn't, but it's enforcing safety measures around border entry, and depending on your vaccination status, those measures are possibly more inconvenient. The other thing I want to bring up is that in Canada, the government, and I'm turn the tax payers, they subsidize and pay for medical treatment of people who have COVID and need treatment. So it makes more sense that you'd want to make sure people take necessary preventative measures, otherwise you're having tax payers pay the bill. Some people in Canada are even suggesting that instead of such preventative measures, if people want to be allowed to take their own risk, then the treatment for COVID for individuals that didn't take preventative precautions shouldn't be offered to them for free and shouldn't be prioritized over other medical interventions. But this is pretty extreme as well, and while reasonable, Canadians don't really want to just let someone in need of medical treatment to not be able to get it. So the general sentiment is that you'd rather make sure everyone is taking necessary precautions and cover people who need treatment no matter what. But as people push back on precautions, the idea to be stricter on who gets access to subsidized treatment will probably become more and more popular, especially with regards to vaccination status.
rayiner 5y ago
Justin "I can't remember how many times I wore blackface" Trudeau calling anyone "racist" is rich: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/19/justin-trudeau-wearing-blackface-details-emerge-third-incident https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/19/justin-trudeau... Also, how does protesting COVID mandates make someone "racist and misogynist?" Is he just saying that because they're truckers?
- culi 5y ago
  > how does protesting COVID mandates Uhh, I think calling for the overthrowing of the federal government[0] is a little more than just protesting a covid mandate lol. To be clear, I'm not saying overthrowing the federal gov't is racist or misogynist. I'm just saying that clearly there is a lot more going on than that [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/28/canada-truckers-covid-vaccine-mandate-protest-government https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/28/canada-trucker...
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    This is one of the most hyperbolic claims. Overthrow the government in this case means publicly and commit to repealing mandates, and set up a citizen group to review policy. Similar requests of governments happen every year in western countries. There are citizen oversight groups set up for failing school districts, police departments, and the environment. None of these Re overthrowing the government
    - culi 5y ago
      > One of the main groups behind the protest is Canada Unity, which has opposed what it says are “unconstitutional” Covid rules. The group recently posted a “memorandum of understanding” to its website, saying that members plan to present it to politicians on Parliament Hill. The group claims that the leader of the senate and the governor general will sign the document to create a governing committee, which they claim would work to revoke the vaccine mandate. This is literally their demand
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- Mikeb85 5y ago
  > "Prime Minister has called the protesters racists and misogynists." > He didn't. This is absurd. https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1488660359422648320?cxt=HHwWgIC9qbWt5KgpAAAA https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1488660359422648320... He did. Also said it a bunch of times in person.
  - faeriechangling 5y ago
    Notably parliament refused to universally denounce blackface as well because the Prime Minister had a bit of a scandal.
  - multjoy 5y ago
    Was he wrong, though?
    - superfunny 5y ago
      You should read this article and make up your own mind: https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night-with-the-untouchables/ https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night...
  - defaultname 5y ago
    No, he didn't. A unanimous declaration by members of parliament (incredibly rare) denounced events happening in the shroud of the protests. And they are really happening! If someone denounces looting at a BLM protest -- also something that happened -- does that mean every BLM protester is a looter? That is absurd.
    - ratsmack 5y ago
      Tweeting it out on his personal account condones the thought, which is just like saying it himself.
iinnPP 5y ago
I also took his comments to say they're not Canadian. The GFM action is also quite dehumanizing. It's a statement from a large donation platform (with all the associated feelings of righteousness) about the value of the protest. I'm not really sure GFM is the problem though. I think the fear of the media might be forcing their hand. The consequences for keeping this fundraiser open would have hurt them somehow. Same with the consequences for shutting down a BLM fundraiser. Same consequence from the same source.

gjsman-1000 5y ago

Even more stupid: Canadian media and Twitter users saying they are “fringe” because by a poll (totally no incentive to lie on those), 85% of truckers are vaccinated. To which I say: A. I bet more than 15% are unvaccinated because why answer honestly with Canada’s level of restrictions and penalties? B. If it is actually 15%, that’s not fringe, and also that’s low enough that dropping the mandate should be reasonable (see all the countries who dropped restrictions at 75%-80% vaccination).

peteradio 5y ago
It makes no sense to assume that these guys aren't vaccinated anyway. They aren't against the vaccine, they are against the mandate!
- gruez 5y ago
  > They aren't against the vaccine, they are against the mandate! It makes no sense, but the amount of people who conflate the two is shockingly high. I guess strawmans are easier to argue against than someone who holds nuanced views. edit: one such example of someone who conflates the two https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30225017 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30225017
  - ed25519FUUU 5y ago
    It doesn’t help that they intentionally conflate the two issues by defining “anti-vaxxer” as anyone who “opposes regulations mandating vaccination”. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
    - throwawaysea 5y ago
      FYI Merriam Webster is among the worst dictionaries. They are highly activist and have redefined words repeatedly to suit the progressive/far-left political platform. A couple examples (but there are more): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52993306 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52993306 https://www.dailywire.com/news/merriam-webster-suddenly-alters-definition-of-preference-after-dems-attack-coney-barrett https://www.dailywire.com/news/merriam-webster-suddenly-alte...
      - pseudalopex 5y ago
        They added systemic oppression of a racial group to the 3 definitions of racism they already had. Do you deny this is a common meaning? LGBT people objected to sexual preference since the 1980s at least.[1] [1] https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-07-23-8602230095-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-07-23-860223...
scythe 5y ago
>why answer honestly with Canada’s level of restrictions and penalties? Surely you jest. Polls are anonymous. And even if the security is bad, nobody is scrutinizing IP logs of poll respondents. Maybe in Kazakhstan or something, but freedom in the West has not fallen that far. People do lie on polls, of course, but it's usually about self-expression, not self-protection. I'd imagine that vaccinated truckers are more likely to report antagonism to vaccine mandates by lying about being unvaccinated vs. the reverse.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  This poll was not conducted online.
  - lowlevel 5y ago
    And probably had only answers that supported whatever hypothesis they were trying to assert.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  You also have to consider that unvaccinated answering the poll honestly would be admitting to something that puts their livelihood on the line. I imagine that a disproportionate number would refuse to respond at all.
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    Imagine if I ran a nationwide poll asking if you’d ever had a felony conviction. I bet the numbers for that poll would be way lower than the real statistics. People don’t answer honestly on polls if they feel there is any way (even a perception) that this could come back and hurt them.
    - s1artibartfast 5y ago
      Or if you asked if you got away with a felony crime!
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bigodbiel 5y ago
I can’t understand this dichotomy. Just because one is vaccinated, does not mean they are pro-mandates.
- behringer 5y ago
  I'm pro vaccine but the mandates and access cards and testing requirements makes me sick to my stomach
  - lowlevel 5y ago
    I had to sign a letter with my employer stating that I accepted I could be terminated should I not be fully vaccinated by Dec 31, 2021. I feel a line has been crossed, and I fully support the idea that the mandate is bad. Vaccines are great, I voluntarily got it anyway, but I don't feel it's ok to say you deserve to be fired or worse (and I've heard much worse) if you decide the vaccine is not for you. I support the protest. It is not an anti-vax protest. I do not beleive it is about racisim or white supremacy despite what our prime minister says or thinks.
    - tandymodel100 5y ago
    - mistrial9 5y ago
      in the USA, a psychiatric patient, even if seriously ill, has the right to refuse medication. This non-negotiable law is in place exactly because of past generations battle over forced medications.
      - gruez 5y ago
        >in the USA, a psychiatric patient, even if seriously ill, has the right to refuse medication even if involuntarily committed to a mental institution?
        5y ago
fourneau 5y ago
Others have already highlighted that you can be vaccinated and anti-mandate, which is what many people are focusing on. From a numbers perspective, 91.54% of Canadians 18+ have received at least one dose. 88.91% of 18+ have received two. It's /possible/ that truckers are widely unvaccinated (perhaps they all subscribe to the same train of thought), but it's unlikely.
- faeriechangling 5y ago
  At this point a majority of Canadas anti-mandate movement, which recently became a majority is “vaccinated but anti-mandate” just because the numbers literally don’t allow for any other reality.
- carlivar 5y ago
  I am vaccinated, boosted, and anti mandate. "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." — Thomas Paine, Dissertation on First Principles of Government (1791)
  - ZoomerCretin 5y ago
    You don't have a right to cross a border and spread a deadly disease. As far as I'm aware, these truckers are allowed to work unvaccinated within their own country.
    - carlivar 5y ago
      Which disease, flu? They've likely been spreading that for decades.
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        Various disease, actually. Not the flu, but most borders will ask that you're vaccinated for a whole host of diseases if you come for professional reasons.
908B64B197 5y ago
> Canadian media and Twitter users saying they are “fringe” because by a poll (totally no incentive to lie on those), 85% of truckers are vaccinated. The state sponsored ones? At this point I don't think it's only about the vaccines.

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tandymodel100 5y ago

> protesters racists and misogynists That's probably because of the Nazi and Confederate flags people are waving. In my opinion, they should cry it out or quit given Canada's 1 dose vaccination rate is in the 80% range.

blast 5y ago
The video of the confederate flag guy shows that he was shunned by the protestors. https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1487834109678395392 https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1487834109678395392
- tandymodel100 5y ago
throwaway4aday 5y ago
Last I heard, the convoy organizers put a bounty on the Nazi flag guy for any information leading to his identification. There is also video of protesters calling out the confederate flag guy and telling him to leave. Two assholes showing up to a protest don't represent the agenda of the entire group. The BLM riots had a much higher asshole ratio last time I checked.
- tandymodel100 5y ago
aksss 5y ago
How silly is it to have a confederate flag at a Canadian protest, anyway, if not simply for shaping optics in the citizenry of the United States to tell them how to frame current events?? Screams of an orchestrated heuristic. If you’re aware of such a fringe factoid as flags appearing in the crowd but simultaneously unaware of the footage demonstrating these to be literally false flags you may want to diversify your information sources.

bko 5y ago

I'm concerned about 1st amendment and the soft power politicians have on freedom of speech (yes I know this is in Canada). When the head politician of a country essentially calls your group terrorist, wouldn't that put some pressure on social media or other organizations to restrict access, money or censor speech? Not all violations of free speech are literally police sending someone to jail for saying something. If the politicians pressure private organizations to censor speech, resulting in the speech being censored, then its absolutely a violation of free speech

culi 5y ago
Remember when Trump called antifa a terrorist org? I hope we've learned by now to stop taking the "terrorist" label seriously
- Ekaros 5y ago
  Antifa is a terrorist organization. They have political goals that is fighting against political stance and they are trying to achieve this by violence.
  - scollet 5y ago
    Antifa is an ideology. The obvious choice is to support antifa because we've seen what profa does, and they are much more violent.
- d0gsg0w00f 5y ago
  Just like people have stopped taking the "racist" label seriously.
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- aksss 5y ago
  “Terror” about describes it if it’s your neighborhood and not just a scene on TV. The people breaking windows of businesses that don’t sport the right stickers or threatening violence against those not wearing the right clothes or making the right salutes are appropriately called “terrorists” if not worse. I don’t take the label terrorist to heart when it’s some bullshit overseas conflict, but I know what structure fires look like, I know what mob frenzy looks like. I know what actual political violence looks like. I know how dangerous self-righteous violence can be. Calling antifa terrorists is spot on because that’s what they were/are as demonstrated/experienced by their actions and goals (of which, ant-fascism seems about opposite).

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buscoquadnary 5y ago
No they are protesting vaccine mandates they are two very different things.
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Mikeb85 5y ago
They're protesting against mandates. Which most of the world is lifting... And I'm not on the truckers' side per se... But the response from the government has been shocking and I'm sure as hell not on the government's side. For the record, I'm vaccinated. Not an anti-vaxxer. Literally just went to Europe and came back. Getting out of and back into Canada was the most onerous part of the trip.
- folio8768473 5y ago
  Just to be clear, the government of Canada doesn't mandate vaccination of truckers, what it mandates is for non-vaccinated individuals (which includes truckers) that are entering Canada through the border that they must get tested and quarantine on entry. So if you can't prove vaccination on entry, you need to have a proof of negative test and quarantine a few days. I just want to point that out, because it seems the media has taken to make it sound like the Canadian government wants to force vaccinations on truckers, it doesn't, but it's enforcing safety measures around border entry, and depending on your vaccination status, those measures are possibly more inconvenient. The other thing I want to bring up is that in Canada, the government, and I'm turn the tax payers, they subsidize and pay for medical treatment of people who have COVID and need treatment. So it makes more sense that you'd want to make sure people take necessary preventative measures, otherwise you're having tax payers pay the bill. Some people in Canada are even suggesting that instead of such preventative measures, if people want to be allowed to take their own risk, then the treatment for COVID for individuals that didn't take preventative precautions shouldn't be offered to them for free and shouldn't be prioritized over other medical interventions. But this is pretty extreme as well, and while reasonable, Canadians don't really want to just let someone in need of medical treatment to not be able to get it. So the general sentiment is that you'd rather make sure everyone is taking necessary precautions and cover people who need treatment no matter what. But as people push back on precautions, the idea to be stricter on who gets access to subsidized treatment will probably become more and more popular, especially with regards to vaccination status.

rayiner 5y ago

Justin "I can't remember how many times I wore blackface" Trudeau calling anyone "racist" is rich: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/19/justin-trudeau-wearing-blackface-details-emerge-third-incident https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/19/justin-trudeau... Also, how does protesting COVID mandates make someone "racist and misogynist?" Is he just saying that because they're truckers?

culi 5y ago
> how does protesting COVID mandates Uhh, I think calling for the overthrowing of the federal government[0] is a little more than just protesting a covid mandate lol. To be clear, I'm not saying overthrowing the federal gov't is racist or misogynist. I'm just saying that clearly there is a lot more going on than that [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/28/canada-truckers-covid-vaccine-mandate-protest-government https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/28/canada-trucker...
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  This is one of the most hyperbolic claims. Overthrow the government in this case means publicly and commit to repealing mandates, and set up a citizen group to review policy. Similar requests of governments happen every year in western countries. There are citizen oversight groups set up for failing school districts, police departments, and the environment. None of these Re overthrowing the government
  - culi 5y ago
    > One of the main groups behind the protest is Canada Unity, which has opposed what it says are “unconstitutional” Covid rules. The group recently posted a “memorandum of understanding” to its website, saying that members plan to present it to politicians on Parliament Hill. The group claims that the leader of the senate and the governor general will sign the document to create a governing committee, which they claim would work to revoke the vaccine mandate. This is literally their demand

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Mikeb85 5y ago
> "Prime Minister has called the protesters racists and misogynists." > He didn't. This is absurd. https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1488660359422648320?cxt=HHwWgIC9qbWt5KgpAAAA https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1488660359422648320... He did. Also said it a bunch of times in person.
- faeriechangling 5y ago
  Notably parliament refused to universally denounce blackface as well because the Prime Minister had a bit of a scandal.
- multjoy 5y ago
  Was he wrong, though?
  - superfunny 5y ago
    You should read this article and make up your own mind: https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night-with-the-untouchables/ https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night...
- defaultname 5y ago
  No, he didn't. A unanimous declaration by members of parliament (incredibly rare) denounced events happening in the shroud of the protests. And they are really happening! If someone denounces looting at a BLM protest -- also something that happened -- does that mean every BLM protester is a looter? That is absurd.
  - ratsmack 5y ago
    Tweeting it out on his personal account condones the thought, which is just like saying it himself.

iinnPP 5y ago

I also took his comments to say they're not Canadian. The GFM action is also quite dehumanizing. It's a statement from a large donation platform (with all the associated feelings of righteousness) about the value of the protest. I'm not really sure GFM is the problem though. I think the fear of the media might be forcing their hand. The consequences for keeping this fundraiser open would have hurt them somehow. Same with the consequences for shutting down a BLM fundraiser. Same consequence from the same source.