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What a staggering battery of distortions. Company credit card? You're just assuming that everyone doing this is spending someone else's money? Everything you'v

What a staggering battery of distortions. Company credit card? You're just assuming that everyone doing this is spending someone else's money? Everything you've written functions to blame the victim and leave Adobe harmless here.

CharlesW 5y ago
> You're just assuming that everyone doing this is spending someone else's money? To be fair, you're also assuming that starving artists are paying for Photoshop. A quick "Adobe" search on your BitTorrent tracker of choice may change your mind.
- civilized 5y ago
  Plenty of low-income people do their best to follow the law out of conscientiousness. I know some of them personally. I object passionately to the idea that, when people misunderstand communication that's designed to be maximally misleading, subject only to the constraint of legal defensibility, they are entirely to blame for falling into the trap. Adobe should be very clear and upfront about their early cancellation fees.
  - unfocussed_mike 5y ago
    "Annual plan, billed monthly" is demonstrably not maximally misleading. If it said "monthly subscription" without clearly identifying the annual commitment, that would be maximally misleading. I will grant you that it could say "Yearly plan", not "Annual plan", and be less misleading; they do appear to use this alternative phrasing in A/B tests. If anyone from Adobe is reading this thread: make that change. (And sort out your Photography plan: make a slimmer version of Photoshop that really does have just the features photographers need, and offer a plan for that.)
    - civilized 5y ago
      Monthly subscription would simply be a legally indefensible lie.
- unfocussed_mike 5y ago
  Yes, but also we're talking about the whole Creative Cloud suite, not Photoshop here. There's a Photoshop-only plan that costs about £11 per month and there are Black Friday deals which are well understood by the budget photographer world to provide better value for money than this. (Even then it is poor value for money, IMO; other packages cover 95% of the functionality of Photoshop and cost less than a year of this, and I really think the market understands that now)
unfocussed_mike 5y ago
> What a staggering battery of distortions. I don't know who you're really angry at but it doesn't seem to be down to me. Maybe dial it back a bit. > Company credit card? You're just assuming that everyone doing this is spending someone else's money? The tweet talks about the the full Creative Cloud suite (something close to £750/yr), and yes, the majority of these people are either spending the company's money or that of their own freelance business. It's an eye-wateringly expensive commitment otherwise. This kind of commitment encourages due diligence.

CharlesW 5y ago

> You're just assuming that everyone doing this is spending someone else's money? To be fair, you're also assuming that starving artists are paying for Photoshop. A quick "Adobe" search on your BitTorrent tracker of choice may change your mind.

civilized 5y ago
Plenty of low-income people do their best to follow the law out of conscientiousness. I know some of them personally. I object passionately to the idea that, when people misunderstand communication that's designed to be maximally misleading, subject only to the constraint of legal defensibility, they are entirely to blame for falling into the trap. Adobe should be very clear and upfront about their early cancellation fees.
- unfocussed_mike 5y ago
  "Annual plan, billed monthly" is demonstrably not maximally misleading. If it said "monthly subscription" without clearly identifying the annual commitment, that would be maximally misleading. I will grant you that it could say "Yearly plan", not "Annual plan", and be less misleading; they do appear to use this alternative phrasing in A/B tests. If anyone from Adobe is reading this thread: make that change. (And sort out your Photography plan: make a slimmer version of Photoshop that really does have just the features photographers need, and offer a plan for that.)
  - civilized 5y ago
    Monthly subscription would simply be a legally indefensible lie.
unfocussed_mike 5y ago
Yes, but also we're talking about the whole Creative Cloud suite, not Photoshop here. There's a Photoshop-only plan that costs about £11 per month and there are Black Friday deals which are well understood by the budget photographer world to provide better value for money than this. (Even then it is poor value for money, IMO; other packages cover 95% of the functionality of Photoshop and cost less than a year of this, and I really think the market understands that now)

unfocussed_mike 5y ago

> What a staggering battery of distortions. I don't know who you're really angry at but it doesn't seem to be down to me. Maybe dial it back a bit. > Company credit card? You're just assuming that everyone doing this is spending someone else's money? The tweet talks about the the full Creative Cloud suite (something close to £750/yr), and yes, the majority of these people are either spending the company's money or that of their own freelance business. It's an eye-wateringly expensive commitment otherwise. This kind of commitment encourages due diligence.