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> the devs never tested anything but Mac+Chrome Which Android browsers show scrollbars?

by lelandfe 5y ago

BenjiWiebe 5y ago
Firefox does, briefly when you load a scrollable page. And then shows it again while scrolling, naturally.
- tomrod 5y ago
  I suspect parent commenter is looking for more major browsers like Opera (4X market share [0]), Vivaldi, Brave, Chrome (leader), Safari, Samsung default, Android default, etc. Firefox isn't widely used anymore for mobile, especially with their recent user-hostile approaches of deprecating extension access, removing about:config, devs alledgedly flipping off users on twitter, and so forth. [0] https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/mobile-tablet/worldwide/#monthly-202101-202201 https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/mobile-table...
  - BMorearty 5y ago
    > devs alledgedly flipping off users on twitter What’s this a reference to?
  - jeroenhd 5y ago
    > Firefox isn't widely used anymore for mobile, especially with their recent user-hostile approaches of deprecating extension access, removing about:config, devs alledgedly flipping off users on twitter, and so forth. I don't get this sentiment. I understand that people are upset at Mozilla, so am I. But why would you then decide to switch to a browser that makes the exact same mistakes without any extensions whatsoever? That said, websites like Statcounter will always show a larger user base on Firefox because of anti tracking measures present and enabled by default in Firefox. It's definitely not what it used to be, but these statistics can't be relied upon ever since ad blocking first appeared on the internet.
    - tomrod 5y ago
      > why would you then decide to switch to a browser that makes the exact same mistakes without any extensions whatsoever Adblocking among the browsers that are more user-focused. I personally use Vivaldi, which is from the same devs that created Opera before the company was sold off.
matsemann 5y ago
Difference is a mobile view is often designed with that in mind, so it works across the board. On desktop, I've had random horizontal scrollbars even on big sites like GitHub. Non-functional as the content had enough space, but still there, because no one bothered to test. I do think hiding it on mobile devices is bad as well, though. Leads to exactly the issue in the twitter thread, with more content not being noticed. Found an old discussion on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24293421 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24293421 Working link: http://web.archive.org/web/20210226184710/https://svenkadak.com/blog/scrollbar-blindness http://web.archive.org/web/20210226184710/https://svenkadak....
azangru 5y ago
> Which Android browsers show scrollbars? How many people develop web sites on Android? Meanwhile, there are a lot of web developers who use Mac as their dev machine; and the majority of them would never check how the website looks on Windows or Linux.

> the devs never tested anything but Mac+Chrome Which Android browsers show scrollbars?

BenjiWiebe 5y ago

Firefox does, briefly when you load a scrollable page. And then shows it again while scrolling, naturally.

tomrod 5y ago
I suspect parent commenter is looking for more major browsers like Opera (4X market share [0]), Vivaldi, Brave, Chrome (leader), Safari, Samsung default, Android default, etc. Firefox isn't widely used anymore for mobile, especially with their recent user-hostile approaches of deprecating extension access, removing about:config, devs alledgedly flipping off users on twitter, and so forth. [0] https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/mobile-tablet/worldwide/#monthly-202101-202201 https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/mobile-table...
- BMorearty 5y ago
  > devs alledgedly flipping off users on twitter What’s this a reference to?
- jeroenhd 5y ago
  > Firefox isn't widely used anymore for mobile, especially with their recent user-hostile approaches of deprecating extension access, removing about:config, devs alledgedly flipping off users on twitter, and so forth. I don't get this sentiment. I understand that people are upset at Mozilla, so am I. But why would you then decide to switch to a browser that makes the exact same mistakes without any extensions whatsoever? That said, websites like Statcounter will always show a larger user base on Firefox because of anti tracking measures present and enabled by default in Firefox. It's definitely not what it used to be, but these statistics can't be relied upon ever since ad blocking first appeared on the internet.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    > why would you then decide to switch to a browser that makes the exact same mistakes without any extensions whatsoever Adblocking among the browsers that are more user-focused. I personally use Vivaldi, which is from the same devs that created Opera before the company was sold off.

matsemann 5y ago

Difference is a mobile view is often designed with that in mind, so it works across the board. On desktop, I've had random horizontal scrollbars even on big sites like GitHub. Non-functional as the content had enough space, but still there, because no one bothered to test. I do think hiding it on mobile devices is bad as well, though. Leads to exactly the issue in the twitter thread, with more content not being noticed. Found an old discussion on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24293421 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24293421 Working link: http://web.archive.org/web/20210226184710/https://svenkadak.com/blog/scrollbar-blindness http://web.archive.org/web/20210226184710/https://svenkadak....

azangru 5y ago

> Which Android browsers show scrollbars? How many people develop web sites on Android? Meanwhile, there are a lot of web developers who use Mac as their dev machine; and the majority of them would never check how the website looks on Windows or Linux.