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The US would lie about this to have an excuse to slap more sanctions or to send arms defensively to their adversaries' border. Which they are doing already. It'

The US would lie about this to have an excuse to slap more sanctions or to send arms defensively to their adversaries' border. Which they are doing already. It's not that hard to figure out since it's been done to death (literally) many times since the end of WWII.

Gwypaas 5y ago
If Russia does not invade then there's no problem right? That's the point.
elil17 5y ago
But the US doesn’t need any excuse for sanctions or a defensive buildup. Russia’s troop placement is enough for the troop movements and an invasion would justify sanctions on its own. So why lie? And I agree these sort of lies have been done before, and they’re still being done. They’re used to justify a lot of US military actions which are unjustifiable (e.g. drone strikes). But the motive here is just not that clear to me because we already have enough of an excuse to do whatever we want to Russia over Ukraine.
- stelonix 5y ago
  Some people say Russia out of nowhere invaded Ukraine for no reason. Other people know there was a color revolution in Kiev that ousted a democratically elected president who was, just as Ukraine historically has been, aligned to Russia and put in place someone else who was completely against an alignment with Russia and went straight to alignment to the west. Then Russia invaded. To forget all this you need some serious cognitive dissonance since it's essentially the Cuba crisis of the 60s except with inverted roles. So no, the US has nothing to justify what it has been doing since the crisis began in 2013. That is why it needs to keep making up excuses, they're meant for US people and its allies' people to believe and support action against Russia, by driving the narrative that poor ukrainians are being oppressed. No, the ones oppressed are the ones who voted Yanukovych and had their democratically elected representative forcefully removed from power.
  - clarge1120 5y ago
    Smart take. Thanks for sharing it. I wish more readers here understood and believed it.
  - ethbr0 5y ago
    Okay, so following the logic here... 1) US, presumably through the CIA, supports a color revolution in Ukraine to oust a democratically elected leader. 2) The newly installed leader, presumably with CIA influence, is markedly more favorable to the west. 3) Russia invades and occupies Crimea. Russia sends troops into eastern Ukraine. 4) (Potential future) Russia sends troops into other areas of Ukraine. Did I get that right? If so, what are the justifications for (3) & (4)? That Russia is upholding the rightful choice of Ukrainian democracy?

Gwypaas 5y ago

If Russia does not invade then there's no problem right? That's the point.

elil17 5y ago

But the US doesn’t need any excuse for sanctions or a defensive buildup. Russia’s troop placement is enough for the troop movements and an invasion would justify sanctions on its own. So why lie? And I agree these sort of lies have been done before, and they’re still being done. They’re used to justify a lot of US military actions which are unjustifiable (e.g. drone strikes). But the motive here is just not that clear to me because we already have enough of an excuse to do whatever we want to Russia over Ukraine.

stelonix 5y ago
Some people say Russia out of nowhere invaded Ukraine for no reason. Other people know there was a color revolution in Kiev that ousted a democratically elected president who was, just as Ukraine historically has been, aligned to Russia and put in place someone else who was completely against an alignment with Russia and went straight to alignment to the west. Then Russia invaded. To forget all this you need some serious cognitive dissonance since it's essentially the Cuba crisis of the 60s except with inverted roles. So no, the US has nothing to justify what it has been doing since the crisis began in 2013. That is why it needs to keep making up excuses, they're meant for US people and its allies' people to believe and support action against Russia, by driving the narrative that poor ukrainians are being oppressed. No, the ones oppressed are the ones who voted Yanukovych and had their democratically elected representative forcefully removed from power.
- clarge1120 5y ago
  Smart take. Thanks for sharing it. I wish more readers here understood and believed it.
- ethbr0 5y ago
  Okay, so following the logic here... 1) US, presumably through the CIA, supports a color revolution in Ukraine to oust a democratically elected leader. 2) The newly installed leader, presumably with CIA influence, is markedly more favorable to the west. 3) Russia invades and occupies Crimea. Russia sends troops into eastern Ukraine. 4) (Potential future) Russia sends troops into other areas of Ukraine. Did I get that right? If so, what are the justifications for (3) & (4)? That Russia is upholding the rightful choice of Ukrainian democracy?