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While I have strong skepticism of anything from the Government, I literally cannot find any reason that NATO or the USA would have any reason to to start a conf

While I have strong skepticism of anything from the Government, I literally cannot find any reason that NATO or the USA would have any reason to to start a conflict with Russia inside Ukraine without provocation. https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/01/1110912 https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/01/1110912 The UN reports that Russian troop buildup is happening at the border The area has already had Russian agression via Crimea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Crimea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Crimea Are people suggesting that no one should respond militarily to an allies plea for help to respond to military aggression?

another_why 5y ago
> I literally cannot find any reason that NATO or the USA would have any reason to to start a conflict with Russia inside Ukraine without provocation. First you say "this is going to happen" and then courageously prevent it by something you needed to do but had no excuse before.
jimmydorry 5y ago
Literally no reason? Having just finishing the war in the middle east, I'm sure the military complex would have a vested interest in joining / starting another conflict. What about using a conflict to deflect attention away from a market breakdown? What about using a conflict to drive a post-COVID recovery? I'm not saying it definitely has to be one of these reasons, but I can think of many off the top of my head. Why are you so certain that USA or NATO nations would have no reason to start a conflict?
- lern_too_spel 5y ago
  Nobody has put an armed conflict with Russia on the table, with the idea of sending US troops into Ukraine explicitly ruled out. The only responses being discussed are economic sanctions, which would slow a post-COVID recovery and would not distract from the domestic economy, and arming and training Ukrainian insurgents from bordering NATO countries. Your conspiracy theory just doesn't make sense in this context.
ivan_gammel 5y ago
Neither Russia, nor NATO plan any real war here. Ukraine - maybe, because it seems pretty convenient to grab some land in Donbas, given that West is ready to activate sanctions against Russia even before the first shot. Russian buildup is just big enough to put pressure, aggressive NATO rhetoric is to demonstrate "non-negotiability" of any limitations to NATO expansion. Ukraine is not member of NATO and not an ally of NATO states, just a rather unreliable partner in security cooperation, a corrupt democracy with stagnating reforms that does not want to commit to the diplomatic agreements negotiated with the help of the West. There is no reason for NATO to participate in any military conflict there.

another_why 5y ago

> I literally cannot find any reason that NATO or the USA would have any reason to to start a conflict with Russia inside Ukraine without provocation. First you say "this is going to happen" and then courageously prevent it by something you needed to do but had no excuse before.

jimmydorry 5y ago

Literally no reason? Having just finishing the war in the middle east, I'm sure the military complex would have a vested interest in joining / starting another conflict. What about using a conflict to deflect attention away from a market breakdown? What about using a conflict to drive a post-COVID recovery? I'm not saying it definitely has to be one of these reasons, but I can think of many off the top of my head. Why are you so certain that USA or NATO nations would have no reason to start a conflict?

lern_too_spel 5y ago
Nobody has put an armed conflict with Russia on the table, with the idea of sending US troops into Ukraine explicitly ruled out. The only responses being discussed are economic sanctions, which would slow a post-COVID recovery and would not distract from the domestic economy, and arming and training Ukrainian insurgents from bordering NATO countries. Your conspiracy theory just doesn't make sense in this context.

ivan_gammel 5y ago

Neither Russia, nor NATO plan any real war here. Ukraine - maybe, because it seems pretty convenient to grab some land in Donbas, given that West is ready to activate sanctions against Russia even before the first shot. Russian buildup is just big enough to put pressure, aggressive NATO rhetoric is to demonstrate "non-negotiability" of any limitations to NATO expansion. Ukraine is not member of NATO and not an ally of NATO states, just a rather unreliable partner in security cooperation, a corrupt democracy with stagnating reforms that does not want to commit to the diplomatic agreements negotiated with the help of the West. There is no reason for NATO to participate in any military conflict there.