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The Gov credibility is so much damaged that I am not going to believe it. E.g., Afghanistan bomb strike which killed the NGO Guy and the kids. If some other na
by i67vw3 5y ago
The Gov credibility is so much damaged that I am not going to believe it. E.g., Afghanistan bomb strike which killed the NGO Guy and the kids.
If some other nation had done a similar air strike which killed innocent civilians, there would be sanctions one after another. E.g., Sanctions were imposed on Belarus just for landing the plane with a fake hijacking plot. The same was done by American gov on President of Bolivia Eva Morales due to the possibility that Snowden was on the flight.
- aaaaaaaaaaab 5y ago>Brussels Belarus.
- i67vw3 5y agoMy bad. I have edited the comment, I confused the city name with the country as both of them start with the same letter.
- sgt101 5y agoHow can the USA sanction the USA?
- keewee7 5y ago>If some other nation had done a similar air strike which killed innocent civilians, there would be sanctions one after another. You mean just like Russia recently did in Africa? >On 16 and 17 January 2022 at least 65 civilians were killed by Russian mercenaries from the Wagner Group supported by armed forces in Aïgbado and Yanga villages near Bria in the Central African Republic during operation against rebels from Coalition of Patriots for Change. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%AFgbado_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%AFgbado_massacre These "mercenaries" have just been relocated by Russia to the Ukrainian border. Has the world already forgot the daily Russian bombings in Syria a few years ago that killed thousands of civilians? Russia and Russian-armed Syrian groups were responsible for the vast majority of casualties in Syria.
- ivan_gammel 5y agoThis is actually something that does deserve a proper reaction with UN investigation and broad sanctions again everyone in the war supply chain there. But Africa is hard to sell to the American and British voters compared to poor Ukraine.
- mardifoufs 5y agoThis is rare, actual whataboutism.
- BLanen 5y agoHaha, American whataboutism.
- dragonwriter 5y agoIt's not whataboutism to point to an example of another nation doing something in response to a claim that begins “if another nation had done something like this...” Context matters.
- _dain_ 5y ago>E.g., Afghanistan bomb strike which killed the NGO Guy and the kids. Not to mention, the "Russian bounty hunters" story that was completely fake. https://greenwald.substack.com/p/journalists-learning-they-spread https://greenwald.substack.com/p/journalists-learning-they-s...
- elil17 5y agoWhy motive would the US government have to lie about this, though? We’ve already said we aren’t going to go to war over Ukraine no matter what Russia does. So why look for a pretext to go to war with Russia when we just said we don’t want to go to war with Russia? Especially when their actions against Ukraine are reason enough. We don’t need any excuse to do exactly what we’re doing, which is providing materiel and troops along the NATO border - that’s just a treaty obligation. So why would the US lie about this? I’m very open to ideas - I’m not one to trust the government - but I just don’t see any motive here. It seems like an honest warning that Russia is going to lie and try to make it seem like Ukraine attacked them.
- stelonix 5y agoThe US would lie about this to have an excuse to slap more sanctions or to send arms defensively to their adversaries' border. Which they are doing already. It's not that hard to figure out since it's been done to death (literally) many times since the end of WWII.
- Gwypaas 5y agoIf Russia does not invade then there's no problem right? That's the point.
- elil17 5y agoBut the US doesn’t need any excuse for sanctions or a defensive buildup. Russia’s troop placement is enough for the troop movements and an invasion would justify sanctions on its own. So why lie? And I agree these sort of lies have been done before, and they’re still being done. They’re used to justify a lot of US military actions which are unjustifiable (e.g. drone strikes). But the motive here is just not that clear to me because we already have enough of an excuse to do whatever we want to Russia over Ukraine.
- stelonix 5y agoSome people say Russia out of nowhere invaded Ukraine for no reason. Other people know there was a color revolution in Kiev that ousted a democratically elected president who was, just as Ukraine historically has been, aligned to Russia and put in place someone else who was completely against an alignment with Russia and went straight to alignment to the west. Then Russia invaded. To forget all this you need some serious cognitive dissonance since it's essentially the Cuba crisis of the 60s except with inverted roles. So no, the US has nothing to justify what it has been doing since the crisis began in 2013. That is why it needs to keep making up excuses, they're meant for US people and its allies' people to believe and support action against Russia, by driving the narrative that poor ukrainians are being oppressed. No, the ones oppressed are the ones who voted Yanukovych and had their democratically elected representative forcefully removed from power.
- nabla9 5y agoThis is dated February 3, 2022. The Russian made up story where troops from Ukraine killed children came days earlier.
- csee 5y ago> Afghanistan bomb strike which killed the NGO Guy and the kids. Did they try to hide this information?