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Probably because skillset for artists and skillset for developers have almost empty intersection.

telesilla 5y ago
Every programmer I know is also keenly interested in making art. Perhaps what society views as an artist has yet to change: do you need to be a full time dedicated art practitioner to be considered as an artist? - Creative thinking Dedication to learning the craft Ability to innovate Self learning, forward thinking Stubborn Invests many, many hours - Is this the skill set of the artist or the programmer?
- ivanche 5y ago
  If N==1 you can make any conclusion. Percentage of programmers I know that are at the same time interested in making art is around 2%. Percentage of artists I know that are interested in software development is even less. Math, physics, late night debugging sessions, repairing electronics/cars, overall hacking... Is this the skillset of an artist or a programmer? Painting, playing instruments, creative writing, pottery... Is this the skillset of an artist or a programmer?
  - fuzzfactor 5y ago
    >Math, physics, late night debugging sessions, repairing electronics/cars, overall hacking... Is this the skillset of an artist or a programmer? Yes. >Painting, playing instruments, creative writing, pottery... Is this the skillset of an artist or a programmer? And yes. To meet their goal they're each going to carry out a 1000 step process where everything builds on what went before (many many thousands of steps) and (regardless) too many false steps you are out. A musician may have a piece memorized or may be using sheet music. They may have composed the piece or even be improvising as they go along. But one false step and people may say hey what a sour note. Some notes more sour than others. A programmer may implement a familar algorithm from memory or may be copying & pasting. They might have an appropriate one of their own or come up with something excellent as they go along. But one false step and people could say hey you've got a serious bug there. Some bugs more offensive than others. Depending on your gear at the time, different steps may or may not be automated or manually carried out. There's not much room for error in a 1000 step process. Obviously most people aren't cut out for it anyway.
- awelxtr 5y ago
  It's clear we aren't acquaintances then
- mattlondon 5y ago
  I couldn't care any less about making art, and I program for a living and for fun. "Art" (in the traditional sense of a painting or whatever) leaves me entirely cold.
- judofyr 5y ago
  > do you need to be a full time dedicated art practitioner to be considered as an artist? If you define “artist” as not a profession, but more of a generic philosophy of working, then this statement: > Is this the skill set of the artist or the programmer? … is a complete apples-to-oranges comparison. The skills you’ve written down are not tied to any profession and would apply to both “chess players”, “baristas”, “board game geeks”, and whatnot.
  - fuzzfactor 5y ago
    I think you've answered the question whether art can be practiced in any profession. When you've got the rare individual who's overflowing with the consensus features: >Creative thinking >Dedication to learning the craft >Ability to innovate >Self learning, forward thinking >Stubborn >Invests many, many hours And they're in action as: >“chess players”, “baristas”, “board game geeks”, musicians, computer programmers, etc. These are the ones you notice are doing it like an artist regardless of how you don't see this kind of thing more often.
- ggambetta 5y ago
  Can confirm. Am SWE/writer/screenwriter/actor/director.
kwhitefoot 5y ago
That sounds like a rather strong assertion. I would have supposed rather the opposite.
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Every programmer I know is also keenly interested in making art. Perhaps what society views as an artist has yet to change: do you need to be a full time dedicated art practitioner to be considered as an artist? - Creative thinking Dedication to learning the craft Ability to innovate Self learning, forward thinking Stubborn Invests many, many hours - Is this the skill set of the artist or the programmer?

ivanche 5y ago
If N==1 you can make any conclusion. Percentage of programmers I know that are at the same time interested in making art is around 2%. Percentage of artists I know that are interested in software development is even less. Math, physics, late night debugging sessions, repairing electronics/cars, overall hacking... Is this the skillset of an artist or a programmer? Painting, playing instruments, creative writing, pottery... Is this the skillset of an artist or a programmer?
- fuzzfactor 5y ago
  >Math, physics, late night debugging sessions, repairing electronics/cars, overall hacking... Is this the skillset of an artist or a programmer? Yes. >Painting, playing instruments, creative writing, pottery... Is this the skillset of an artist or a programmer? And yes. To meet their goal they're each going to carry out a 1000 step process where everything builds on what went before (many many thousands of steps) and (regardless) too many false steps you are out. A musician may have a piece memorized or may be using sheet music. They may have composed the piece or even be improvising as they go along. But one false step and people may say hey what a sour note. Some notes more sour than others. A programmer may implement a familar algorithm from memory or may be copying & pasting. They might have an appropriate one of their own or come up with something excellent as they go along. But one false step and people could say hey you've got a serious bug there. Some bugs more offensive than others. Depending on your gear at the time, different steps may or may not be automated or manually carried out. There's not much room for error in a 1000 step process. Obviously most people aren't cut out for it anyway.
awelxtr 5y ago
It's clear we aren't acquaintances then
mattlondon 5y ago
I couldn't care any less about making art, and I program for a living and for fun. "Art" (in the traditional sense of a painting or whatever) leaves me entirely cold.
judofyr 5y ago
> do you need to be a full time dedicated art practitioner to be considered as an artist? If you define “artist” as not a profession, but more of a generic philosophy of working, then this statement: > Is this the skill set of the artist or the programmer? … is a complete apples-to-oranges comparison. The skills you’ve written down are not tied to any profession and would apply to both “chess players”, “baristas”, “board game geeks”, and whatnot.
- fuzzfactor 5y ago
  I think you've answered the question whether art can be practiced in any profession. When you've got the rare individual who's overflowing with the consensus features: >Creative thinking >Dedication to learning the craft >Ability to innovate >Self learning, forward thinking >Stubborn >Invests many, many hours And they're in action as: >“chess players”, “baristas”, “board game geeks”, musicians, computer programmers, etc. These are the ones you notice are doing it like an artist regardless of how you don't see this kind of thing more often.
ggambetta 5y ago
Can confirm. Am SWE/writer/screenwriter/actor/director.

kwhitefoot 5y ago

That sounds like a rather strong assertion. I would have supposed rather the opposite.

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