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Why should people give benefit of the doubt to the country with 150k troops, full equipment, tanks, & blood plasma, and surrounding Ukraine with them? They coul

Why should people give benefit of the doubt to the country with 150k troops, full equipment, tanks, & blood plasma, and surrounding Ukraine with them? They could easily attack Ukraine within hours

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vintermann 5y ago
We should give them the benefit of doubt about this particular accusation because the people accusing them 1. Have not presented evidence, merely asserted something and demand to be trusted 2. Have a long history of lying, and clearly feel they are entitled to lie to you when they feel it's useful. There are plenty of times you should not give the Russian government the benefit of doubt, but it's the other side which is making a positive assertion here.
phkahler 5y ago
The parent poster was talking about US intelligence. We should not believe them since they fabricated the whole WMD nonsense as a reason to start war in Iraq. Nobody is giving the benefit of the doubt to Russia here, as they haven't said anything. Given the situation, I dont see much reason for a pretext on Russias part. They will either pull the trigger on this thing or not. At this point vlad would probably feel weak if he backed down, so things are kind of stuck.
- clarge1120 5y ago
  Vlad could also just do nothing until the midterm elections in the US while opposition politicians hammer the White House over the fact that there are American soldiers sitting in Ukraine and Russia hasn’t even done anything.
satori99 5y ago
> They could easily attack Ukraine within hours. I think it's unlikely Putin will humiliate China by attacking while The Winter Games are on.
t8e56vd4ih 5y ago
there are reports specifically about Russia keeping blood plasma available at the border?
yucky 5y ago
Asked another way, why should we give the media the benefit of the doubt when they are already posting headlines like "Russia invaded Ukraine" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-04/statement-on-publishing-error https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-04/statement...

Why should people give benefit of the doubt to the country with 150k troops, full equipment, tanks, & blood plasma, and surrounding Ukraine with them? They could easily attack Ukraine within hours

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vintermann 5y ago

We should give them the benefit of doubt about this particular accusation because the people accusing them 1. Have not presented evidence, merely asserted something and demand to be trusted 2. Have a long history of lying, and clearly feel they are entitled to lie to you when they feel it's useful. There are plenty of times you should not give the Russian government the benefit of doubt, but it's the other side which is making a positive assertion here.

phkahler 5y ago

The parent poster was talking about US intelligence. We should not believe them since they fabricated the whole WMD nonsense as a reason to start war in Iraq. Nobody is giving the benefit of the doubt to Russia here, as they haven't said anything. Given the situation, I dont see much reason for a pretext on Russias part. They will either pull the trigger on this thing or not. At this point vlad would probably feel weak if he backed down, so things are kind of stuck.

clarge1120 5y ago
Vlad could also just do nothing until the midterm elections in the US while opposition politicians hammer the White House over the fact that there are American soldiers sitting in Ukraine and Russia hasn’t even done anything.

satori99 5y ago

> They could easily attack Ukraine within hours. I think it's unlikely Putin will humiliate China by attacking while The Winter Games are on.

t8e56vd4ih 5y ago

there are reports specifically about Russia keeping blood plasma available at the border?

yucky 5y ago

Asked another way, why should we give the media the benefit of the doubt when they are already posting headlines like "Russia invaded Ukraine" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-04/statement-on-publishing-error https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-04/statement...