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There are plenty of Karen's not just among the passengers but also among airline staff. This sounds like "more power to corporations!". It should be decided by

There are plenty of Karen's not just among the passengers but also among airline staff. This sounds like "more power to corporations!". It should be decided by a court on an individual basis not by a chuckle-duck CEO based on staff complaints. It's easy to move from this to "let's share lists across airlines." And followed by "hire people only if they're not on the list?" All because a flight attendant had a bad day. Not apologizing for anti-maskers or other ill-behavior. But the way to solve this is in the courts not by privatizing justice.

thread_id 5y ago
Under no circumstances should the Department of Homeland Insecurity should be co-opted into blacklisting U.S. Citizens on behalf private commercial corporations over disputes that it has with its customers. The CEO of Delta should be fired over such an abject failure in leadership. And.... what keeps on getting lost is airlines like Delta and United would never find the space to get this bad if future customers would vote with their dollars and simply choose not to purchase their product. Then change would happen. https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/john-oliver-how-airlines-make-your-life-hell.html https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/john-oliver-how-airlines-...
sib 5y ago
I was on a flight just last night leaving LAX on which two adult passengers decided - 5 minutes after leaving the gate, before we got to the runway - that they would take off their masks and refuse to put them back on. The plane returned to the gate, a security agent came on board, removed them (no force needed). Then we had to confirm their baggage was off the plane, get new paperwork, push back again, adjust takeoff slot, etc. We wasted 40 minutes of time for the ~100 people on the plane. Some may have missed connecting flights. While I don't think a lifetime ban from civil aviation is warranted, I think a significant fine and a temporary ban would be appropriate.
wang_li 5y ago
The headline of the linked article is literally: >Delta CEO wants U.S. to put convicted unruly passengers on 'no-fly' list And the first paragraph says: >Delta Air Lines (DAL.N) wants the U.S. government to place passengers convicted of on-board disruptions on a national "no-fly" list that would bar them from future travel on any commercial airline, according to a letter seen by Reuters. Seems like the proposal involves courts.

thread_id 5y ago

Under no circumstances should the Department of Homeland Insecurity should be co-opted into blacklisting U.S. Citizens on behalf private commercial corporations over disputes that it has with its customers. The CEO of Delta should be fired over such an abject failure in leadership. And.... what keeps on getting lost is airlines like Delta and United would never find the space to get this bad if future customers would vote with their dollars and simply choose not to purchase their product. Then change would happen. https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/john-oliver-how-airlines-make-your-life-hell.html https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/john-oliver-how-airlines-...

sib 5y ago

I was on a flight just last night leaving LAX on which two adult passengers decided - 5 minutes after leaving the gate, before we got to the runway - that they would take off their masks and refuse to put them back on. The plane returned to the gate, a security agent came on board, removed them (no force needed). Then we had to confirm their baggage was off the plane, get new paperwork, push back again, adjust takeoff slot, etc. We wasted 40 minutes of time for the ~100 people on the plane. Some may have missed connecting flights. While I don't think a lifetime ban from civil aviation is warranted, I think a significant fine and a temporary ban would be appropriate.

wang_li 5y ago

The headline of the linked article is literally: >Delta CEO wants U.S. to put convicted unruly passengers on 'no-fly' list And the first paragraph says: >Delta Air Lines (DAL.N) wants the U.S. government to place passengers convicted of on-board disruptions on a national "no-fly" list that would bar them from future travel on any commercial airline, according to a letter seen by Reuters. Seems like the proposal involves courts.