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I've been using kagi for a while. I was using google+ublacklist, and (mostly) searx prior to that. I only care about search, every other feature (maps, listicle

I've been using kagi for a while. I was using google+ublacklist, and (mostly) searx prior to that. I only care about search, every other feature (maps, listicles, etc) is worthless to me. So far I've been quite pleasantly surprised. I didn't need to de-prioritize anything yet, and most of my queries are technical. I would pay for it, but like you say, I'm not sure how much. 5$ for unlimited searches is something I'd go for without even thinking. For 10$, I already question whether is it actually better than using searx where I get comparable results. I can get a VPS cheaper than than and run my own customizable searx instance for that cost. I'm not doing anything fancy, but I don't want to think about the query count. You can stack-up hundreds of searches per day sometimes, just because you're looking up something interesting, then do next to nothing for days. I'm not saying I wouldn't pay for more, but I don't see the gain. I definitely see the problem with the API cost of the underlying calls though. That feels like a huge argument that having your own index is important to compete in the market.

telesilla 5y ago
I'm also trialing kagi and have been very happy. $30 might seem steep but I'm happy to be supporting future enterprise for competition in the field.
freediver 5y ago
> I definitely see the problem with the API cost of the underlying calls though. That feels like a huge argument that having your own index is important to compete in the market. A Google size index that is potentially able to replace google results would probably cost $100m-$1B to build. We have a fraction of that built for noncommercial results (try Noncommercial lens in Kagi to see how it works).
- wakeupcall 5y ago
  Aside from the upfront cost, how much do you think a query would cost? I know it's a bit hand-wavy as it depends on the infrastructure itself, but maybe you already have an order of magnitude of the projected cost? I wonder just how much margin google/bing is actually making with the API. I guess kagi is currently running at a loss?
  - freediver 5y ago
    > Aside from the upfront cost, how much do you think a query would cost? My best guess is at about $0.5 per 1,000. > I guess kagi is currently running at a loss We are in beta and not chargining any money, so yeah by definition we are running at loss.

telesilla 5y ago

I'm also trialing kagi and have been very happy. $30 might seem steep but I'm happy to be supporting future enterprise for competition in the field.

freediver 5y ago

> I definitely see the problem with the API cost of the underlying calls though. That feels like a huge argument that having your own index is important to compete in the market. A Google size index that is potentially able to replace google results would probably cost $100m-$1B to build. We have a fraction of that built for noncommercial results (try Noncommercial lens in Kagi to see how it works).

wakeupcall 5y ago
Aside from the upfront cost, how much do you think a query would cost? I know it's a bit hand-wavy as it depends on the infrastructure itself, but maybe you already have an order of magnitude of the projected cost? I wonder just how much margin google/bing is actually making with the API. I guess kagi is currently running at a loss?
- freediver 5y ago
  > Aside from the upfront cost, how much do you think a query would cost? My best guess is at about $0.5 per 1,000. > I guess kagi is currently running at a loss We are in beta and not chargining any money, so yeah by definition we are running at loss.