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> that is getting people killed. Twice as many people died in the US last year from Heart Disease than from COVID, but I'm pretty sure we don't (yet) ban youtu

> that is getting people killed. Twice as many people died in the US last year from Heart Disease than from COVID, but I'm pretty sure we don't (yet) ban youtubers who extol the awesomeness of gluttonous fast food in weekly videos. At some point, people need to grow up and take responsibility for themselves, and also allow others to do the liberty to do the same. If someone is an adult, in the US, and not vax'd by now, that's on them. Period. Not anyone else. To put it another way, I owned not one, but two separate copies of "The Anarchists Cookbook" over the years growing up.. the number of governments I have, to date, attempted to overthrow? Zero. Why? Because I was capable of reviewing the offered material and going "yeah, not today prison, not today."

assbuttbuttass 5y ago
It is on other people though, because unvaccinated people have a higher chance of spreading COVID to others. We've been over this shit since the beginning of the pandemic, it's surprising and disappointing to see people still framing it as a purely individual decision.
- lowkey 5y ago
  I’m genuinely curious what your source is for the claim that the unvaccinated have a higher chance of spreading COVID? According to this UC Davis/UCSF study [0] both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals carry similar viral loads. The study found that while vaccinated individuals had fewer symptoms on average, both groups had similar viral loads. “There was no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated, or between asymptomatic and symptomatic groups.“ [0] https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-sim...
  - JohnHaugeland 5y ago
    Viral load does not have anything to do with chance of spread. This is actually very easy to look up, if you put in the effort to do it correctly. I find that HN is really creaking under the weight of "I'm genuinely curious for you to look something up for me, I looked for werewolf shoes and I didn't find anything about this" This form of walrusing pretends to be diligent interest in factual information, but it's actually sloth, attempt to control others, and a giant "I don't know how to use search engines skillfully" sign around the neck
    - YATA0 5y ago
      >This form of walrusing Sealioning[0]. The term is sealioning... Your poor attempt at sounding smart has backfired and instead you sound like a dumbass. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
      - albedoa 5y ago
        Remember to switch back to your other account, Alok.
        YATA0 5y ago
        Who is Alok? Did you reply to the wrong thread? This is my only account.
    - lowkey 5y ago
      I’ve never heard the walrus analogy before and this is the first time I’ve been called a walrus. I did do my own googling. Here is what I found [0] - a study that seems to indicate the opposite of your claim that > Viral load does not have anything to do with chance of spread I realize it is difficult to infer tone in a comment but I would encourage you to assume good faith. It keeps this community civilized. [0] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0243597 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
      - albedoa 5y ago
        > this is the first time I’ve been called a walrus. This is one of your more incredible claims. > I realize it is difficult to infer tone in a comment but I would encourage you to assume good faith. It keeps this community civilized. Hey just fyi since you supposedly just learned what a walrus is, one thing they are known for is their requirement that everyone else assumes good faith long past the point of credulity. Nobody is depriving you here. The trick to not being called a walrus is to not act like one. It's extremely easy!
- ouEight12 5y ago
  > disappointing to see people still framing it as a purely individual decision. Unless you live a in cave on the side of the mountain surviving off berries and forgoing all human contact, nothing in life in a purely individual decision. Dog owners are more likely to have their pet physically hurt a small child than people who choose hamsters. Owners of Dodge Charger Hellcats emit more CO2 to the environment than Prius owners. Nobody _needs_ to make six figures a year to survive, they could all perfectly well donate everything above their 'need' to a local soup kitchen... but I don't know anyone who does. The last I checked, all of these things are still considered perfectly acceptable decisions in polite society. Nobody is out shaming those choices. Except maybe the Prius owners.
tzs 5y ago
> Twice as many people died in the US last year from Heart Disease than from COVID, but I'm pretty sure we don't (yet) ban youtubers who extol the awesomeness of gluttonous fast food in weekly videos. That's not a useful comparison because death due to heart disease from gluttony has a quite different probability density function than does death due to COVID. The former is wide but not tall, the latter is narrow but tall. The first is a lot easier to deal with than the second when it comes to health care system capacity limits.

assbuttbuttass 5y ago

It is on other people though, because unvaccinated people have a higher chance of spreading COVID to others. We've been over this shit since the beginning of the pandemic, it's surprising and disappointing to see people still framing it as a purely individual decision.

lowkey 5y ago
I’m genuinely curious what your source is for the claim that the unvaccinated have a higher chance of spreading COVID? According to this UC Davis/UCSF study [0] both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals carry similar viral loads. The study found that while vaccinated individuals had fewer symptoms on average, both groups had similar viral loads. “There was no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated, or between asymptomatic and symptomatic groups.“ [0] https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-sim...
- JohnHaugeland 5y ago
  Viral load does not have anything to do with chance of spread. This is actually very easy to look up, if you put in the effort to do it correctly. I find that HN is really creaking under the weight of "I'm genuinely curious for you to look something up for me, I looked for werewolf shoes and I didn't find anything about this" This form of walrusing pretends to be diligent interest in factual information, but it's actually sloth, attempt to control others, and a giant "I don't know how to use search engines skillfully" sign around the neck
  - YATA0 5y ago
    >This form of walrusing Sealioning[0]. The term is sealioning... Your poor attempt at sounding smart has backfired and instead you sound like a dumbass. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
    - albedoa 5y ago
      Remember to switch back to your other account, Alok.
      - YATA0 5y ago
        Who is Alok? Did you reply to the wrong thread? This is my only account.
  - lowkey 5y ago
    I’ve never heard the walrus analogy before and this is the first time I’ve been called a walrus. I did do my own googling. Here is what I found [0] - a study that seems to indicate the opposite of your claim that > Viral load does not have anything to do with chance of spread I realize it is difficult to infer tone in a comment but I would encourage you to assume good faith. It keeps this community civilized. [0] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0243597 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
    - albedoa 5y ago
      > this is the first time I’ve been called a walrus. This is one of your more incredible claims. > I realize it is difficult to infer tone in a comment but I would encourage you to assume good faith. It keeps this community civilized. Hey just fyi since you supposedly just learned what a walrus is, one thing they are known for is their requirement that everyone else assumes good faith long past the point of credulity. Nobody is depriving you here. The trick to not being called a walrus is to not act like one. It's extremely easy!
ouEight12 5y ago
> disappointing to see people still framing it as a purely individual decision. Unless you live a in cave on the side of the mountain surviving off berries and forgoing all human contact, nothing in life in a purely individual decision. Dog owners are more likely to have their pet physically hurt a small child than people who choose hamsters. Owners of Dodge Charger Hellcats emit more CO2 to the environment than Prius owners. Nobody _needs_ to make six figures a year to survive, they could all perfectly well donate everything above their 'need' to a local soup kitchen... but I don't know anyone who does. The last I checked, all of these things are still considered perfectly acceptable decisions in polite society. Nobody is out shaming those choices. Except maybe the Prius owners.

tzs 5y ago

> Twice as many people died in the US last year from Heart Disease than from COVID, but I'm pretty sure we don't (yet) ban youtubers who extol the awesomeness of gluttonous fast food in weekly videos. That's not a useful comparison because death due to heart disease from gluttony has a quite different probability density function than does death due to COVID. The former is wide but not tall, the latter is narrow but tall. The first is a lot easier to deal with than the second when it comes to health care system capacity limits.