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that's a good thing we can implement! for example, Allogov representatives can just vote no on all bills that have mixed concerns. Then, people will learn that

that's a good thing we can implement! for example, Allogov representatives can just vote no on all bills that have mixed concerns. Then, people will learn that those kinds of bills won't pass, and it'll be a de-facto ban. Allogov representatives can also have term limits. Also... do you imagine those things will take less (political) effort to implement than a new political party?

verdverm 5y ago
Depends on what the new party is about. I have serious doubts that app based signaling, and requiring a politician to adhere to it is a good idea. Why not a direct democracy at that point? (This would be bad as well) Think of the money and misinformation that would fly around to influence every vote. I don't really want to have to be involved with politics every day and know enough to make an informed choice. This is why representative democracy scales better.
- randomcatuser 5y ago
  Yeah, that's a good point. I think of the app as the "base layer" for implementing any kind of governance, on top of which you can implement any kind of democracy/bureaucracy you want. In terms of voting, I'd imagine the ideal democracy to be representative - but actually so. Citizen load needs to be light. So you can imagine delegating your vote to a friend, or an interest group (if a community opts into this feature). We create virtual levels of representation (ie, neighborhood level representatives who you trust, etc), and at the very top is the "real" Allogov representative, which sits in Congress and enacts all the decisions. Ultimately, the goal is to have predefined governance, so you can start a new city, install Allogov, and get functioning government (the app will tell you what all the roles are, what they do, and so forth). Good government is a mix between bureaucracy and democracy, after all.. We can't solve misinformation, but we can counter it with more effective civics -- and that starts with people having a more direct connection to government, and a tangible, clear process of change. Putting politics online, and designing thoughtful spaces for that, might be helpful! I hope that money will not influence Allogov, but will have to think of a way to minimize that.

verdverm 5y ago

Depends on what the new party is about. I have serious doubts that app based signaling, and requiring a politician to adhere to it is a good idea. Why not a direct democracy at that point? (This would be bad as well) Think of the money and misinformation that would fly around to influence every vote. I don't really want to have to be involved with politics every day and know enough to make an informed choice. This is why representative democracy scales better.

randomcatuser 5y ago
Yeah, that's a good point. I think of the app as the "base layer" for implementing any kind of governance, on top of which you can implement any kind of democracy/bureaucracy you want. In terms of voting, I'd imagine the ideal democracy to be representative - but actually so. Citizen load needs to be light. So you can imagine delegating your vote to a friend, or an interest group (if a community opts into this feature). We create virtual levels of representation (ie, neighborhood level representatives who you trust, etc), and at the very top is the "real" Allogov representative, which sits in Congress and enacts all the decisions. Ultimately, the goal is to have predefined governance, so you can start a new city, install Allogov, and get functioning government (the app will tell you what all the roles are, what they do, and so forth). Good government is a mix between bureaucracy and democracy, after all.. We can't solve misinformation, but we can counter it with more effective civics -- and that starts with people having a more direct connection to government, and a tangible, clear process of change. Putting politics online, and designing thoughtful spaces for that, might be helpful! I hope that money will not influence Allogov, but will have to think of a way to minimize that.