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A cool thing about the US no-fly list is that - at least as of eight years ago[0] - there's no way to tell if you're on it (short of attempting to fly and being

A cool thing about the US no-fly list is that - at least as of eight years ago[0] - there's no way to tell if you're on it (short of attempting to fly and being denied, and even then they generally won't tell you the real reason). There's also no real way to get off the no-fly list: IIRC, as of about eight years ago, only one person had actually managed to do so[0], and it involved a very protracted federal lawsuit that involved them having to first prove that they were even on the list in the first place in order to demonstrate standing. Furthermore, because of the geography of the US and the lack of alternate options, being put on the no-fly list can effectively leave you stranded in foreign countries (there aren't really passenger boats anymore, for the most part) or de facto stranded even within parts of the US if you're unable to drive for long distances (which many people can't do). [0] Ask me how I know

hyperhopper 5y ago
1. Were you on the no fly list and did you manage to get off? 2. Asking us to ask you is some clickbaity bullshit. You know you're leading the question, just put your thoughts down instead of practically asking us to ask you.
- DangitBobby 5y ago
  Or they can engage in whatever non-toxic way they desire.
Scramblejams 5y ago
Okay, I'll bite; how do you know?
Rebelgecko 5y ago
DHS has issued many thousands of traveller Redress Numbers. It's not that rare, Senator Ted Kennedy was probably the most famous person who had trouble with the nofly list.
- chimeracoder 5y ago
  > DHS has issued many thousands of traveller Redress Numbers. Officially, redress numbers are ostensibly used for disambiguating people with similar names, etc. That's not the same thing as getting off the list if you were the person placed on it in the first place. There is, as of very recently, an "official" process for getting off the no-fly list, but it's incredibly recent and still incredibly onerous, so very few people have actually completed it successfully. https://theintercept.com/2021/05/30/no-fly-list-terrorism-watchlist/ https://theintercept.com/2021/05/30/no-fly-list-terrorism-wa...

hyperhopper 5y ago

1. Were you on the no fly list and did you manage to get off? 2. Asking us to ask you is some clickbaity bullshit. You know you're leading the question, just put your thoughts down instead of practically asking us to ask you.

DangitBobby 5y ago
Or they can engage in whatever non-toxic way they desire.

Scramblejams 5y ago

Okay, I'll bite; how do you know?

Rebelgecko 5y ago

DHS has issued many thousands of traveller Redress Numbers. It's not that rare, Senator Ted Kennedy was probably the most famous person who had trouble with the nofly list.

chimeracoder 5y ago
> DHS has issued many thousands of traveller Redress Numbers. Officially, redress numbers are ostensibly used for disambiguating people with similar names, etc. That's not the same thing as getting off the list if you were the person placed on it in the first place. There is, as of very recently, an "official" process for getting off the no-fly list, but it's incredibly recent and still incredibly onerous, so very few people have actually completed it successfully. https://theintercept.com/2021/05/30/no-fly-list-terrorism-watchlist/ https://theintercept.com/2021/05/30/no-fly-list-terrorism-wa...