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Hm. From my anecdotal and looking into all this, this does not appear to be the case. I've talked to dozens of Palestinians from or in Gaza. Then add in the lik

Hm. From my anecdotal and looking into all this, this does not appear to be the case. I've talked to dozens of Palestinians from or in Gaza. Then add in the likely 100+ that people I know have talked to. Sure 2-300 people is still anecdotal, but if not a single one of them is fighting for what you are claiming, it's hard to believe that is actually true of the great population. You seem to be talking about shit that Iran stirs up. Hamas strips up, etc. Iran isn't Palestine at all. People who actually seriously care about Hamas' alleged goals, are not a large number of people. It also isn't as simple as saying "look this person helped with some violent initiative from Gaza linked to Hamas - they must be fighting for pre 1948 land". That's not true any more across the board. Not this amount of time later. My fantasy idea would have begun 50 years ago. In 1973 latest. There would be some 3rd generation people being born in lands in Sinai this decade now. Which Palestinians are you thinking of who are still fighting this pre-1948 home thing? -- > You could just as well say that Jordan is already majority Palestinian What does this mean? Jordan isn't Palestine. I have mentioned this multiple times. The Arab World surrounding Israel and Palestine give zero fucks about the Palestinians. They always have. Jordan's govt would rather get $10 than save a Palestinian's life. None of them have done any thing to show any sense of remorse for their repeated stupid pitiful war actions that ended up primarily hurting Palestinians. All the countries have had decades upon decades to do something, any thing. None have. Unless they hurt Palestinians even more (like Egypt). This Jordan example means nothing unless there's some sort of conflation of Arab [in power] across different countries are naturally "bros" of some kind. Which is not the situation.

weatherlite 5y ago
> Which Palestinians are you thinking of who are still fighting this pre-1948 home thing? It's the publicly declared goal of Hamas, BDS, and most of the Palestinian diaspora. The PLO is an interesting case - traditionally they also never forfeited the right of return but Abu Mazen made some interesting claims around a decade ago about how he personally doesn't want to go back to his old home or something like that. Nevertheless, it seems impossible for any Palestinian leader to publicly forfeit the right of return. Its political (and possibly physical) suicide for anyone who tries that. The right of return is foundational for Palestinians, I find it surprising you haven't picked that up from talking to Palestinians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_return#Scope_of_the_issue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_return#Sc... "The majority of Palestinians consider that their homeland was lost during the establishment of Israel in 1948, and see the right of return as crucial to a peace agreement with Israel, even if the vast majority of surviving refugees and their descendants do not exercise that right" Now the even if the the vast majority do not exercise that right is speculation imo, and wrong. Many will exercise that right (otherwise why insist on this? it's a no go for any peace plan).

weatherlite 5y ago

> Which Palestinians are you thinking of who are still fighting this pre-1948 home thing? It's the publicly declared goal of Hamas, BDS, and most of the Palestinian diaspora. The PLO is an interesting case - traditionally they also never forfeited the right of return but Abu Mazen made some interesting claims around a decade ago about how he personally doesn't want to go back to his old home or something like that. Nevertheless, it seems impossible for any Palestinian leader to publicly forfeit the right of return. Its political (and possibly physical) suicide for anyone who tries that. The right of return is foundational for Palestinians, I find it surprising you haven't picked that up from talking to Palestinians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_return#Scope_of_the_issue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_return#Sc... "The majority of Palestinians consider that their homeland was lost during the establishment of Israel in 1948, and see the right of return as crucial to a peace agreement with Israel, even if the vast majority of surviving refugees and their descendants do not exercise that right" Now the even if the the vast majority do not exercise that right is speculation imo, and wrong. Many will exercise that right (otherwise why insist on this? it's a no go for any peace plan).