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They are forced not only to keep money, but to keep it in a bank who is a member of the centralized authority. Regulations in general do not make it centralized

They are forced not only to keep money, but to keep it in a bank who is a member of the centralized authority. Regulations in general do not make it centralized, this specific one does however.

lottin 5y ago
How does the fact that banks are required to keep a deposit with the central bank limit their autonomy (i.e. become centralised)? As I see it what limits the autonomy of banks is not that the deposit is with a central bank but that they have to satisfy a reserve requirement. But according to your argument the reserve requirement itself is not what makes the banking system centralised, but the specific fact that banks have to keep a deposit with the central bank. How does that make sense? What does the word 'centralised' mean to you in the context of the banking system?
- thebean11 5y ago
  While they can technically accept money without being a fed member, they must keep that money with a fed member. They need to keep money (printed by the fed) with a bank controlled by the fed. If you don’t see why that is a centralized system then not sure there’s much to discuss. It’s distinct from reserve requirement, which doesn’t force you to store your money with a member of a single organization.
  - lottin 5y ago
    So, if they had auditors to check that banks comply with the reserve requirements (instead of requiring them to hold a deposit somewhere), the banking system would cease to be centralised? Is that what you're saying? And what about a smart contract that requires participants to make a deposit with the smart contract itself? According to what you're saying such smart contracts are by definition centralised. Am I getting this right?
    - thebean11 5y ago
      That would be less centralized, yes. The fact that one organization, the fed, has the unilateral and exclusive authority to create more money (essentially unlimited) would still be a very important point of centralization though. > And what about a smart contract that requires participants to make a deposit with the smart contract itself? What do you mean "requires"? Is there forced participation? Presumably anybody could make a competitor to this smart contract. I think I'd need a more specific example to understand exactly what you mean here. It also depends on the contract itself. A contract that has an owner encoded into it who can make unilateral decisions is more centralized than an ownerless / immutable one.

They are forced not only to keep money, but to keep it in a bank who is a member of the centralized authority. Regulations in general do not make it centralized, this specific one does however.

lottin 5y ago

How does the fact that banks are required to keep a deposit with the central bank limit their autonomy (i.e. become centralised)? As I see it what limits the autonomy of banks is not that the deposit is with a central bank but that they have to satisfy a reserve requirement. But according to your argument the reserve requirement itself is not what makes the banking system centralised, but the specific fact that banks have to keep a deposit with the central bank. How does that make sense? What does the word 'centralised' mean to you in the context of the banking system?

thebean11 5y ago
While they can technically accept money without being a fed member, they must keep that money with a fed member. They need to keep money (printed by the fed) with a bank controlled by the fed. If you don’t see why that is a centralized system then not sure there’s much to discuss. It’s distinct from reserve requirement, which doesn’t force you to store your money with a member of a single organization.
- lottin 5y ago
  So, if they had auditors to check that banks comply with the reserve requirements (instead of requiring them to hold a deposit somewhere), the banking system would cease to be centralised? Is that what you're saying? And what about a smart contract that requires participants to make a deposit with the smart contract itself? According to what you're saying such smart contracts are by definition centralised. Am I getting this right?
  - thebean11 5y ago
    That would be less centralized, yes. The fact that one organization, the fed, has the unilateral and exclusive authority to create more money (essentially unlimited) would still be a very important point of centralization though. > And what about a smart contract that requires participants to make a deposit with the smart contract itself? What do you mean "requires"? Is there forced participation? Presumably anybody could make a competitor to this smart contract. I think I'd need a more specific example to understand exactly what you mean here. It also depends on the contract itself. A contract that has an owner encoded into it who can make unilateral decisions is more centralized than an ownerless / immutable one.