GP never said vaccines prevent the collapse, they said they help, i.e. reduce deaths and the pressure on the health care system. Unfortunately they can't reduce

GP never said vaccines prevent the collapse, they said they help, i.e. reduce deaths and the pressure on the health care system. Unfortunately they can't reduce it enough to prevent an overload. Yes, elective (i.e. 'optional') procedures have been postponed all around the world. Due to COVID putting an extra burden on the health care system. That's what you can decrease with vaccines... And if you want to figure out (i.e. measure) if vaccines help with this, or work in general, then it's not enough to look at just a binary endpoint: "did it collapse or not". But we have very detailed and very good quality data. We do know how much vaccines reduce the hospitalization rates. There's no need and no point arguing against it. Especially not in superficial comments. (Of course, everybody is welcome to publish their own data analysis if they think they can disprove what has been published before, but whoever doesn't do the said analysis should just stick with what has been published and listen to those who actually read those publications.)