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why not exactly? As long as consumers are getting good devices and good competition (which they are), then what's the problem? It's not like the door is closed

why not exactly? As long as consumers are getting good devices and good competition (which they are), then what's the problem? It's not like the door is closed to innovation here, if any company can disrupt the smartphone market then the takings are all theirs. This is literally what Apple did with the original iPhone. Have you heard of Blackberry recently? I don't see that the incumbents are preventing this in any meaningful way, in the same way that RIM wasn't. Furthermore there are way more than two players in the smartphone game.

realusername 5y ago
There's no competition, which competition exactly? The only tariff change Apple ever done in 10 years was due ... to a threat of an anti-trust lawsuit, you can't make this up. Even Apple basically admits indirectly the lack of competition. You only have two companies, with very similar rules and behaviour, there's no market anymore. Don't get my comment wrong, I'd say the exact same thing about Google. It's a duopoly without any competition whatsoever. > if any company can disrupt the smartphone market then the takings are all theirs I don't think that's possible, even Microsoft failed at it with their massive funding.
- thegrimmest 5y ago
  https://www.gsmarena.com/makers.php3 https://www.gsmarena.com/makers.php3 loads of mobile phone companies, lots of healthy competition. Non-technical consumers don't perceive the device and the OS as separate things.
  - realusername 5y ago
    I'm talking about the mobile app market here, not the quality of the camera.
    - thegrimmest 5y ago
      Right, but Apple is a mobile phone company, not a mobile app company. iOS app companies exist entirely at the pleasure of Apple, just like companies who depend on the Twitter API.
      - pixl97 5y ago
        Apple is 100% a mobile app company. They guard all the doors, they hold all the keys to the hardware device. Thereby they dictate what you can run on your hardware that you paid for after the sale.
        warkdarrior 5y ago
        > they dictate what you can run on your hardware that you paid for after the sale. You bought the hardware from Apple knowing exactly what restrictions they place on the hardware. You were knowledgeable about it and still decided to purchase the hardware.
        realusername 5y ago
        That reasoning just cannot work in society to keep a functioning and healthy market
      - realusername 5y ago
        I disagree with that, Apple is a mobile app company and there's only two in the world. Twitter as big as it is, is just a website across millions of others. In the mobile app market there is exactly two companies, Apple and Google, that's it. Does Oppo or Samsung has any power when publishing an app? No? Then they are not part of this market.
        thegrimmest 5y ago
        There aren't many mobile apps you can buy from Apple. Apple is primarily a hardware manufacturer. Their entire product lineup consists of devices[1]. 1. https://www.apple.com/us/store https://www.apple.com/us/store

realusername 5y ago

There's no competition, which competition exactly? The only tariff change Apple ever done in 10 years was due ... to a threat of an anti-trust lawsuit, you can't make this up. Even Apple basically admits indirectly the lack of competition. You only have two companies, with very similar rules and behaviour, there's no market anymore. Don't get my comment wrong, I'd say the exact same thing about Google. It's a duopoly without any competition whatsoever. > if any company can disrupt the smartphone market then the takings are all theirs I don't think that's possible, even Microsoft failed at it with their massive funding.

thegrimmest 5y ago
https://www.gsmarena.com/makers.php3 https://www.gsmarena.com/makers.php3 loads of mobile phone companies, lots of healthy competition. Non-technical consumers don't perceive the device and the OS as separate things.
- realusername 5y ago
  I'm talking about the mobile app market here, not the quality of the camera.
  - thegrimmest 5y ago
    Right, but Apple is a mobile phone company, not a mobile app company. iOS app companies exist entirely at the pleasure of Apple, just like companies who depend on the Twitter API.
    - pixl97 5y ago
      Apple is 100% a mobile app company. They guard all the doors, they hold all the keys to the hardware device. Thereby they dictate what you can run on your hardware that you paid for after the sale.
      - warkdarrior 5y ago
        > they dictate what you can run on your hardware that you paid for after the sale. You bought the hardware from Apple knowing exactly what restrictions they place on the hardware. You were knowledgeable about it and still decided to purchase the hardware.
        realusername 5y ago
        That reasoning just cannot work in society to keep a functioning and healthy market
    - realusername 5y ago
      I disagree with that, Apple is a mobile app company and there's only two in the world. Twitter as big as it is, is just a website across millions of others. In the mobile app market there is exactly two companies, Apple and Google, that's it. Does Oppo or Samsung has any power when publishing an app? No? Then they are not part of this market.
      - thegrimmest 5y ago
        There aren't many mobile apps you can buy from Apple. Apple is primarily a hardware manufacturer. Their entire product lineup consists of devices[1]. 1. https://www.apple.com/us/store https://www.apple.com/us/store