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This has been out for a while now. It's paywalled but I recognize the half-a-million cars figure. The passive leakages from stoves and the infrastructure right?

jeffbee 5y ago
You know what else emits the CO2 of half a million cars? Half a million cars, and there are 580 halfs of millions of cars in the U.S. alone. Caring about the greenhouse impact of gas appliances is like profiling your computer system and then trying to optimize the thing at the bottom of the list.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
  Isn't the assumption that you're working in serial? Given that this work can be done in parallel and many areas will take a long time, why not work on as many as possible?
  - jeffbee 5y ago
    The public's attention and cognitive powers are finite, so it is best to not confuse the issues. The front and center message about climate change to the public and to regulatory agencies needs to be "cars".
    - nomel 5y ago
      > The public's attention and cognitive powers are finite The amount of money they, and the state, can spend, pursuing these things, is also finite.
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    We are working in serial. There is limited public attention, government budget and political capital available to regulate these industries. This creates significant opportunity cost. In order to actually change the world, we need to spend all our efforts stopping the biggest polluters such as chinese industry and fossil fuels. Worrying about smaller problems such as methane or cryptocurrency is a waste of time at best and a malicious distraction at worst.
- aedocw 5y ago
  Or like telling folks in California to stop watering their lawns and take shorter showers when there's a water shortage. BUT keeping the focus on personal responsibility rather than industry is the name of the game.
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    Yeah, 90% of it is industry and growing stuff in a desert, but those people watering their roses is the problem. Lol it's more of the elite making sure they get their profits while blaming the general public and also pushing the cost to them.
    - jeffbee 5y ago
      This us a faulty analogy. In the case of the atmosphere we all share it and it blows around all over the world. In the case of domestic water distribution systems, the water system that supplies your garden hose and the one that supplies orchards and fields are completely distinct, unconnected, and not interchangeable. If your local California water utility is running low on water there is nothing that an almond grower in Fresno County can do for you.

jeffbee 5y ago

You know what else emits the CO2 of half a million cars? Half a million cars, and there are 580 halfs of millions of cars in the U.S. alone. Caring about the greenhouse impact of gas appliances is like profiling your computer system and then trying to optimize the thing at the bottom of the list.

SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
Isn't the assumption that you're working in serial? Given that this work can be done in parallel and many areas will take a long time, why not work on as many as possible?
- jeffbee 5y ago
  The public's attention and cognitive powers are finite, so it is best to not confuse the issues. The front and center message about climate change to the public and to regulatory agencies needs to be "cars".
  - nomel 5y ago
    > The public's attention and cognitive powers are finite The amount of money they, and the state, can spend, pursuing these things, is also finite.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  We are working in serial. There is limited public attention, government budget and political capital available to regulate these industries. This creates significant opportunity cost. In order to actually change the world, we need to spend all our efforts stopping the biggest polluters such as chinese industry and fossil fuels. Worrying about smaller problems such as methane or cryptocurrency is a waste of time at best and a malicious distraction at worst.
aedocw 5y ago
Or like telling folks in California to stop watering their lawns and take shorter showers when there's a water shortage. BUT keeping the focus on personal responsibility rather than industry is the name of the game.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  Yeah, 90% of it is industry and growing stuff in a desert, but those people watering their roses is the problem. Lol it's more of the elite making sure they get their profits while blaming the general public and also pushing the cost to them.
  - jeffbee 5y ago
    This us a faulty analogy. In the case of the atmosphere we all share it and it blows around all over the world. In the case of domestic water distribution systems, the water system that supplies your garden hose and the one that supplies orchards and fields are completely distinct, unconnected, and not interchangeable. If your local California water utility is running low on water there is nothing that an almond grower in Fresno County can do for you.