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To clarify a couple of points raised through the comments thread. - According to the DOJ, prior to black friday, FT had $60m in the bank and owed $390m to play
by heyitsnick 15y ago
To clarify a couple of points raised through the comments thread.
- According to the DOJ, prior to black friday, FT had $60m in the bank and owed $390m to players. Shortly after black friday, in June this figure was $6m.
- There are two main reasons for this - one is the exorbitant payouts - over $440m was paid out to FT partners who held equity in the company - that were taken from players funds. Named are 4 people, Bitar, Lederer, Ferguson and Furst. The DOJ alleges almost $120m was paid out to these 4 alone, and Ferguson is 'owed' another $60m in dividend payments.
- However, unnamed are many others who also received payouts; the DOJ claims FT - even when they knew they were insolvent - "continued making payments of approximately $10 million per month" up until April.
- Furthermore, they were making sizeable loans to their roster of professionals with players funds. One mention of "Player Owner 1" almost certainly refers to Phil Ivey.
- Finally, they were basically fronting US players millions - the DOJ alleges $120m in total - because they were unable to process deposits.
- The reason this is nothing like a bank investing a customers money and why the DOJ is alleging this is "fraud" and a "ponzi scheme" (nb there is nothing in the amended complaint that suggests charges of a ponzi scheme; but it did come from Preet Bharara, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District in a statement) is because the money was not invested; it was used for dividend payments. Meanwhile, FTP was publicly claiming their players funds were maintained separately to operating accounts, deceiving players.
- This really has nothing to do with affiliates "taking money out of the system."
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- heyitsnick 15y agoYou might be interested in the #FTPstandsfor hash tag.
- davedx 15y agoGrand Theft Poker