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How many security flaws are there, and when do you anticipate that they will all be eliminated? If you can’t answer these questions, then you can’t make any cl

by zepto 5y ago

How many security flaws are there, and when do you anticipate that they will all be eliminated? If you can’t answer these questions, then you can’t make any claim about it being close to perfect.

Apocryphon 5y ago
How many of those security flaws are mitigated by App Store curation, and how many of those flaws are already being let through? At this point we are both asking each other to prove negatives now, as productive as that is. I think we can both agree to disagree.
- zepto 5y ago
  Weird move. By asking those questions of me, you have proven my point: You have shown that you don’t know anything about how many security flaws there are or how many are protected from by App Store curation, so your claims up to this point about security have simply been dishonest. This isn’t about agreeing to disagree. It’s that you’ve just been making up false claims this whole time.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    If your point is that App Store curation is insufficient, then I heartily agree with you. https://www.ft.com/content/914ce719-f538-4bd9-9fdf-42220d857d5e https://www.ft.com/content/914ce719-f538-4bd9-9fdf-42220d857... https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-store-malware-click-fraud/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-store-malware-click-fr... https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/11/wordle-clones-further-illustrate-the-curation-problem-in-the-app-store https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/11/wordle-clones-fur...
    - zepto 5y ago
      Those links don’t address the fact they you’ve been lying up until now about your knowledge of iOS security. Nobody said app store curation is perfect, just that it is necessary in addition to OS security. It’s not clear what you are trying to do now other than to distract from being caught in a lie.
      - Apocryphon 5y ago
        App Store curation is beneficial, but it is not absolutely necessary, and in many ways is lacking. The fact that you cannot begin to imagine a world where Apple's engineering capabilities exists beyond the App Store, nor are aware of the many, many security features they have enabled on both iOS and MacOS [0], speaks of your own skepticism towards Apple's ability to get the job done beyond the App Store. I suggest you read up on Apple's work into system security [1] and elsewhere. It's quite fascinating! [0] https://support.apple.com/guide/security/app-security-overview-sec35dd877d0/1/web/1 https://support.apple.com/guide/security/app-security-overvi... [1] https://support.apple.com/guide/security/system-security-overview-sec114e4db04/1/web/1 https://support.apple.com/guide/security/system-security-ove...
        zepto 5y ago
        You still haven’t addressed the fact that you are lying about apple’s security. You don’t know how many flaws there are, how long before they are fixed, or how many are protected against by the App Store. You have no facts and yet you continue to make a claim you know you can’t support. Indeed you have presented links that show for certain that Apple’s security is not perfect. It seems like your ideas about the perfection of Apple’s security exist only in your imagination.
        Apocryphon 5y ago
        > You don’t know how many flaws there are, how long before they are fixed, or how many are protected against by the App Store. Do you know? I've provided many links about Apple's security, while you have only offered your own opinions. If you have any helpful information, it would definitely be appreciated.
        zepto 5y ago
        It doesn’t matter how many links you post if they don’t answer the relevant questions: How many security flaws are there, and when do you anticipate that they will all be eliminated? If you can’t answer these questions, then you can’t make any claim about it being close to perfect, or even how good it is.

by zepto 5y ago

How many security flaws are there, and when do you anticipate that they will all be eliminated? If you can’t answer these questions, then you can’t make any claim about it being close to perfect.

Apocryphon 5y ago

How many of those security flaws are mitigated by App Store curation, and how many of those flaws are already being let through? At this point we are both asking each other to prove negatives now, as productive as that is. I think we can both agree to disagree.

zepto 5y ago
Weird move. By asking those questions of me, you have proven my point: You have shown that you don’t know anything about how many security flaws there are or how many are protected from by App Store curation, so your claims up to this point about security have simply been dishonest. This isn’t about agreeing to disagree. It’s that you’ve just been making up false claims this whole time.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  If your point is that App Store curation is insufficient, then I heartily agree with you. https://www.ft.com/content/914ce719-f538-4bd9-9fdf-42220d857d5e https://www.ft.com/content/914ce719-f538-4bd9-9fdf-42220d857... https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-store-malware-click-fraud/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-store-malware-click-fr... https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/11/wordle-clones-further-illustrate-the-curation-problem-in-the-app-store https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/11/wordle-clones-fur...
  - zepto 5y ago
    Those links don’t address the fact they you’ve been lying up until now about your knowledge of iOS security. Nobody said app store curation is perfect, just that it is necessary in addition to OS security. It’s not clear what you are trying to do now other than to distract from being caught in a lie.
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      App Store curation is beneficial, but it is not absolutely necessary, and in many ways is lacking. The fact that you cannot begin to imagine a world where Apple's engineering capabilities exists beyond the App Store, nor are aware of the many, many security features they have enabled on both iOS and MacOS [0], speaks of your own skepticism towards Apple's ability to get the job done beyond the App Store. I suggest you read up on Apple's work into system security [1] and elsewhere. It's quite fascinating! [0] https://support.apple.com/guide/security/app-security-overview-sec35dd877d0/1/web/1 https://support.apple.com/guide/security/app-security-overvi... [1] https://support.apple.com/guide/security/system-security-overview-sec114e4db04/1/web/1 https://support.apple.com/guide/security/system-security-ove...
      - zepto 5y ago
        You still haven’t addressed the fact that you are lying about apple’s security. You don’t know how many flaws there are, how long before they are fixed, or how many are protected against by the App Store. You have no facts and yet you continue to make a claim you know you can’t support. Indeed you have presented links that show for certain that Apple’s security is not perfect. It seems like your ideas about the perfection of Apple’s security exist only in your imagination.
        Apocryphon 5y ago
        > You don’t know how many flaws there are, how long before they are fixed, or how many are protected against by the App Store. Do you know? I've provided many links about Apple's security, while you have only offered your own opinions. If you have any helpful information, it would definitely be appreciated.
        zepto 5y ago
        It doesn’t matter how many links you post if they don’t answer the relevant questions: How many security flaws are there, and when do you anticipate that they will all be eliminated? If you can’t answer these questions, then you can’t make any claim about it being close to perfect, or even how good it is.