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That quote is obviously correct, though. Let's say, for example, that it's "discrimination" to forcibly remove wealth from a specific person to give to another.

That quote is obviously correct, though. Let's say, for example, that it's "discrimination" to forcibly remove wealth from a specific person to give to another. It would be discrimination to take $100 from me and give it to you. But it would be pretty rich of me to complain about being discriminated against if it turned out I had stolen your $100 in the first place! A different example. We're playing monopoly. I have a house rule that every time you make money, it goes to me. Every time you acquire property, I get it. Then the house rule changes and you can acquire money and property… but I still own everything of yours I've taken until now. Is it wrong to discriminate against me by redistributing my resources to you? Here's some more context to that quote, by the way: > Someone reproducing inequity through permanently assisting an overrepresented racial group into wealth and power is entirely different than someone challenging that inequity by temporarily assisting an underrepresented racial group into relative wealth and power until equity is reached. > The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination. As President Lyndon B. Johnson said in 1965, “You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line of a race and then say, ‘You are free to compete with all the others,’ and still justly believe that you have been completely fair.” https://www.penguin.co.uk/articles/2020/june/ibram-x-kendi-definition-of-antiracist.html https://www.penguin.co.uk/articles/2020/june/ibram-x-kendi-d...

yucky 5y ago
In the context of Critical RACE theory, the discrimination is racial. So your analogy does not work. You can not get away from the reality that CRT by definition assigns blame collectively based on race, regardless of actual culpability. That is racist.
- jakelazaroff 5y ago
  The analogy works — just replace “me” and “you” with “white people” and “Black people”. The Black Monopoly players had to give up their money and property to the white players. You are saying that it’s racist to redistribute the stolen wealth, but not racist to allow the white players to keep their ill-gotten gains.
  - yucky 5y ago
    Are you unable to differentiate between individuals and groups? It's never not racist to blame people for the actions of others who have a similar amount of melanin.
    - jakelazaroff 5y ago
      No one is blaming anyone. Why do you keep bringing up that word? This is a good faith question, I’m genuinely curious about this.
      - yucky 5y ago
        Disney - https://www.newsweek.com/disney-corp-asks-employees-complete-white-privilege-checklist-pivot-away-white-dominant-1589775 https://www.newsweek.com/disney-corp-asks-employees-complete... Walmart - https://trendingpolitics.com/walmart-training-white-people-have-internalized-racial-superiority/ https://trendingpolitics.com/walmart-training-white-people-h... AT&T - https://www.nationalreview.com/news/att-employee-training-program-says-white-people-you-are-the-problem/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/att-employee-training-pr... Coca-Cola - https://www.newsweek.com/coca-cola-facing-backlash-says-less-white-learning-plan-was-about-workplace-inclusion-1570875 https://www.newsweek.com/coca-cola-facing-backlash-says-less... Under Armour - https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/report-under-armour-forcing-white-employees-to-attend-anti-white-training/ https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/report-under-armour-forc... Dow Chemical, Lockheed Martin - https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/06/dow_chemical_and_lockheed_martin_wallow_in_critical_race_theory.html https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/06/dow_chemical_an... etc etc Speaking of "good faith", do I need to continue? Were you legitimately unaware of this, or is this where you try to excuse it as something other than what it is - racism.
        jakelazaroff 5y ago
        A handful of poorly thought out corporate DEI trainings does not retroactively redefine the decades of research and writing on critical race theory. But I’ll bite. Let’s take the first article. > The document suggests that employees reflect on the diversity of their personal and professional networks. Employees should also consider how other dimensions of their identities "give (or do not give) you access and advantage." Furthermore, workers are encouraged to "work through feelings of guilt, shame, and defensiveness to understand what is beneath them and what needs to be healed." > Part of the challenge involves completing a "white privilege checklist." The checklist asks if a person has ever experienced racist slurs, discrimination for their skin color, threats due to their gender or sexual orientation, bullying or conditions of poverty. Nowhere in the article are the words “blame” or “responsible” or “accountable”. None of this can reasonably be construed as “blaming” people. As the article tells it, the goal of the training is to help people understand their racial privilege.

yucky 5y ago

In the context of Critical RACE theory, the discrimination is racial. So your analogy does not work. You can not get away from the reality that CRT by definition assigns blame collectively based on race, regardless of actual culpability. That is racist.

jakelazaroff 5y ago
The analogy works — just replace “me” and “you” with “white people” and “Black people”. The Black Monopoly players had to give up their money and property to the white players. You are saying that it’s racist to redistribute the stolen wealth, but not racist to allow the white players to keep their ill-gotten gains.
- yucky 5y ago
  Are you unable to differentiate between individuals and groups? It's never not racist to blame people for the actions of others who have a similar amount of melanin.
  - jakelazaroff 5y ago
    No one is blaming anyone. Why do you keep bringing up that word? This is a good faith question, I’m genuinely curious about this.
    - yucky 5y ago
      Disney - https://www.newsweek.com/disney-corp-asks-employees-complete-white-privilege-checklist-pivot-away-white-dominant-1589775 https://www.newsweek.com/disney-corp-asks-employees-complete... Walmart - https://trendingpolitics.com/walmart-training-white-people-have-internalized-racial-superiority/ https://trendingpolitics.com/walmart-training-white-people-h... AT&T - https://www.nationalreview.com/news/att-employee-training-program-says-white-people-you-are-the-problem/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/att-employee-training-pr... Coca-Cola - https://www.newsweek.com/coca-cola-facing-backlash-says-less-white-learning-plan-was-about-workplace-inclusion-1570875 https://www.newsweek.com/coca-cola-facing-backlash-says-less... Under Armour - https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/report-under-armour-forcing-white-employees-to-attend-anti-white-training/ https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/report-under-armour-forc... Dow Chemical, Lockheed Martin - https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/06/dow_chemical_and_lockheed_martin_wallow_in_critical_race_theory.html https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/06/dow_chemical_an... etc etc Speaking of "good faith", do I need to continue? Were you legitimately unaware of this, or is this where you try to excuse it as something other than what it is - racism.
      - jakelazaroff 5y ago
        A handful of poorly thought out corporate DEI trainings does not retroactively redefine the decades of research and writing on critical race theory. But I’ll bite. Let’s take the first article. > The document suggests that employees reflect on the diversity of their personal and professional networks. Employees should also consider how other dimensions of their identities "give (or do not give) you access and advantage." Furthermore, workers are encouraged to "work through feelings of guilt, shame, and defensiveness to understand what is beneath them and what needs to be healed." > Part of the challenge involves completing a "white privilege checklist." The checklist asks if a person has ever experienced racist slurs, discrimination for their skin color, threats due to their gender or sexual orientation, bullying or conditions of poverty. Nowhere in the article are the words “blame” or “responsible” or “accountable”. None of this can reasonably be construed as “blaming” people. As the article tells it, the goal of the training is to help people understand their racial privilege.