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Hold on, 700€ x 215 days worked (you don't count vacation time when freelance) = 150 500. Now, give it half to the taxman, and you're left with 75 250€ / year.

by Fiahil 5y ago

Hold on, 700€ x 215 days worked (you don't count vacation time when freelance) = 150 500. Now, give it half to the taxman, and you're left with 75 250€ / year. And that's without the expenses, extra healthcare coverage, insurance etc. So pretty average when you considering that junior developer salaries are within this reach in EU capitals.

nickkell 5y ago
Even allowing that junior salaries reach this high (that's in the range for a senior in Berlin at least), that would be the PRE-TAX figure. Remove 40% (again, approximate taxes in Berlin, potentially more if you pay the "church" tax) and you've got 45150€, a significant difference.
- Fiahil 5y ago
  Yes, of course, but everyone has to pay income, housing and a few other taxes regardless of employment status.
alistairSH 5y ago
215 / 5 = 43 weeks of work. 9 weeks vacation? I used 4 weeks, and by my experience that's generous (not talking about paid leave - all the freelancers I know are workaholics and don't take much leave, but maybe that's a US thing). 5*48 = 240 days, which works out to around 84000 EUR. Or 120,000 EUR - 30%. Regardless, 700 EUR/day seems in the ball-park for a generic all-around developer.
- AitchEmArsey 5y ago
  Agreed. Some UK numbers for reference: £500/day is the absolute minimum for developer/DevOps outside London, £600/day much more common and including the cheap end for London. Senior is more often £800/day. You don't see values above that advertised, but people do obviously negotiate higher for specialist work; I have seen a mainframe developer charging £1500/day (on the low end of his range). Anything higher than that has always been a large consultancy rather than a freelancer. In my specialist niche I'd be asking for £1500/day top-end, expecting £800-1200 with negotiation depending on flexibility.
dunefox 5y ago
> junior developer salaries are within this reach in EU capitals. Junior developers make 75.000€ after taxes? They make about 50 - 60.000€ BEFORE taxes.
- vshade 5y ago
  Even less depending on the capital, 60k before taxes is more of a senior level in the Iberian peninsula.

by Fiahil 5y ago

nickkell 5y ago

Even allowing that junior salaries reach this high (that's in the range for a senior in Berlin at least), that would be the PRE-TAX figure. Remove 40% (again, approximate taxes in Berlin, potentially more if you pay the "church" tax) and you've got 45150€, a significant difference.

Fiahil 5y ago
Yes, of course, but everyone has to pay income, housing and a few other taxes regardless of employment status.

alistairSH 5y ago

215 / 5 = 43 weeks of work. 9 weeks vacation? I used 4 weeks, and by my experience that's generous (not talking about paid leave - all the freelancers I know are workaholics and don't take much leave, but maybe that's a US thing). 5*48 = 240 days, which works out to around 84000 EUR. Or 120,000 EUR - 30%. Regardless, 700 EUR/day seems in the ball-park for a generic all-around developer.

AitchEmArsey 5y ago
Agreed. Some UK numbers for reference: £500/day is the absolute minimum for developer/DevOps outside London, £600/day much more common and including the cheap end for London. Senior is more often £800/day. You don't see values above that advertised, but people do obviously negotiate higher for specialist work; I have seen a mainframe developer charging £1500/day (on the low end of his range). Anything higher than that has always been a large consultancy rather than a freelancer. In my specialist niche I'd be asking for £1500/day top-end, expecting £800-1200 with negotiation depending on flexibility.

dunefox 5y ago

> junior developer salaries are within this reach in EU capitals. Junior developers make 75.000€ after taxes? They make about 50 - 60.000€ BEFORE taxes.

vshade 5y ago
Even less depending on the capital, 60k before taxes is more of a senior level in the Iberian peninsula.