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This is totally uncalled for IMHO.

acdha 5y ago
What about dismissing decades of hard work by many thousands of people as “hype”? There've been a lot of disappointments along the way but it's not like these were the people pushing Ivermectin as a COVID treatment — a ton of scientific careers have been spent working on this and it seems far too glib to brush that away as if there isn't a life-changingly better prognosis for someone who learned they were infected today compared to 30 years ago.
- the-dude 5y ago
  Don't believe the hype is a common expression in English. You are just reading much too much into it IMHO. And I don't like to see discussions derail into this.
  - acdha 5y ago
    If you're familiar with the expression, you're also familiar with it having a connotation of something being oversold, usually for reasons of sales or politics. I don't think that's a fair way to describe good faith scientific research into a hard problem.
    - claytongulick 5y ago
      You've had three, (now four) people explicitly mention that your comment was needlessly hostile. To each of those people, you've responded defensively. I would suggest that you carefully review what was written, what you wrote, what the feedback from it was, and consider if there is room for improvement rather than just digging in.
      - acdha 5y ago
        Since your reply was cordial, I'll note that I probably would have used wording to make it more clear that I was specifically unimpressed by the use of terms like hype or what read as the implication that there's been a widespread representation that a cure is close. I've typically only seen that in the context of the various scam claims over the years, not mainstream research — the coverage I've read since at least the 90s always mentioned it as a very hard target a long time off. Maybe I'm a bit biased from having worked at some places where researchers were working on problems like this but it felt unfair to focus on that but not mention that there are now mainstream treatments developed as part of that work which have made a huge improvement for millions of people globally.

What about dismissing decades of hard work by many thousands of people as “hype”? There've been a lot of disappointments along the way but it's not like these were the people pushing Ivermectin as a COVID treatment — a ton of scientific careers have been spent working on this and it seems far too glib to brush that away as if there isn't a life-changingly better prognosis for someone who learned they were infected today compared to 30 years ago.

the-dude 5y ago
Don't believe the hype is a common expression in English. You are just reading much too much into it IMHO. And I don't like to see discussions derail into this.
- acdha 5y ago
  If you're familiar with the expression, you're also familiar with it having a connotation of something being oversold, usually for reasons of sales or politics. I don't think that's a fair way to describe good faith scientific research into a hard problem.
  - claytongulick 5y ago
    You've had three, (now four) people explicitly mention that your comment was needlessly hostile. To each of those people, you've responded defensively. I would suggest that you carefully review what was written, what you wrote, what the feedback from it was, and consider if there is room for improvement rather than just digging in.
    - acdha 5y ago
      Since your reply was cordial, I'll note that I probably would have used wording to make it more clear that I was specifically unimpressed by the use of terms like hype or what read as the implication that there's been a widespread representation that a cure is close. I've typically only seen that in the context of the various scam claims over the years, not mainstream research — the coverage I've read since at least the 90s always mentioned it as a very hard target a long time off. Maybe I'm a bit biased from having worked at some places where researchers were working on problems like this but it felt unfair to focus on that but not mention that there are now mainstream treatments developed as part of that work which have made a huge improvement for millions of people globally.