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What about green parties that are against nuclear? They are green, but, IMO, in a retrograde way. Not to mention these parties tend to attract some people with
by RealityVoid 5y ago
What about green parties that are against nuclear? They are green, but, IMO, in a retrograde way.
Not to mention these parties tend to attract some people with severe naturalistic fallacy biases that run _strongly_ counter to my techno-optimistic outlook. I feel getting greens in power would get them what they want but not what the world needs.
- faeyanpiraat 5y agoThey are not really green then.
- paulluuk 5y agoWell, nuclear has a much higher cost per kW than solar or wind, so it's not a very efficiënt alternative. The only real benefit of nuclear, as far as I can tell, is that it takes less physical space. And mining for nuclear materials is quite bad for the environment of course, but so is mining for the materials needed for wind/solar.
- mrtksn 5y agoThe great thing about living in a democracy is that you can join these parties and change them from within or you can create your own party. There doesn't have to be single green party, if you believe that nuclear power should be considered green you have plenty of options to make it reality. Beyond direct involvement You can protest, you can campaign for it. For some reason, in countries with strong democracies and pathways for impact the youth tends not to vote. It's beyond my why they think that they are powerless.
- nautilius 5y agoIn many European countries, these green parties gained a significant boost during first hand experience of failing nuclear power during the explosion of the Chernobyl plant.
- rootusrootus 5y agoChernobyl doesn't seem like a great example of failing nuclear power. It looks a lot more like crappy design and foolish incompetence.
- just_steve_h 5y agoYou literally just described most operating nuclear power stations. The GE Mark I reactors had an OPTIONAL system to vent hydrogen from secondary containment, as but one example.
- nautilius 5y agoI don't know, a nuclear power plant exploding and raining fallout all over Europe sure does look like a failure of nuclear power, certainly for those who experienced it.
- tarsinge 5y agoDam failures have had orders of magnitude more impacts, are we calling hydro power a failure?
- nautilius 5y agoLet’s not move the goalpost: I am pretty sure we’re calling a dam failure a dam failure.
- RealityVoid 5y agoYes, but if people hear about dams they don't even blink but they all lose their minds if they hear about nuclear. There is no goalpost moving here, just comparing risks and nuclear looks pretty good.
- nautilius 5y agorootusrootus says we shouldn't call Chernobyl an example of nuclear failure, but I think we very much should because it was a nuclear power plant that exploded. Now you ask 'what about dams' and I'll happily call failing dams failing dams. We were not comparing risks, that's what you brought in - moving the goalposts quite significantly while doing so.