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I am from an EU country, and studied law. It doesn't work the way you're saying in court.

jacquesm 5y ago
Ah, the appeal to authority. To me your just another anonymous commenter on HN. Really, I couldn't care less, every lawsuit has lawyers on both sides and half of them will lose their case, but will maintain that their customer was right all along and that they will now appeal and then when they run out of appeals they quietly slink off into the dark with their money. EU anti-competitive law has been tested in court time and again by the big telcos and as a rule they have lost every time they tried to get smart with words. Apple will - I predict - fare no different.
- neximo64 5y ago
  Whilst my appeal may be to authority yours is based on what you feel is right and wrong and that isn't the same as how the law works. In fact it's built to work against what a consumer feels to what that is fair. You might not like it but fair is tilted towards the large company not the consumer in the EU, especially when it comes to a company making profit. The big telcos btw always win, but always makes the consumer happy. Have looked at Orange do this countless times. Why don't you tell me about how happy you feel the EU is green, and then i'll tell you how happy European companies are 'green' now includes natural gas. Both sides win I suppose.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    > The big telcos btw always win You are factually incorrect, if you really did study law you likely did not finish the course.
    - neximo64 5y ago
      I was waiting for this, you have basically gone for an ad hominem, which is how basically you fail to win an argument. I am assuming from the 'where you sit is where you stand' principle that you are from the Netherlands. I can understand how it can be seen as a bit of a defeat this ruling by Apple and their reaction; the expectations were more of a win. Maybe a 3% discount off 30% is a minor improvement. Focus on the facts and not the person. Again this is why you are letting your opinion of Apple be dictated by your feelings, and this is why you can't win against them with this mindset. Btw for someone in my profession to get this is a great thing so I will take the compliment. It is seen as the other person breaking not to have a good argument ;-)

Ah, the appeal to authority. To me your just another anonymous commenter on HN. Really, I couldn't care less, every lawsuit has lawyers on both sides and half of them will lose their case, but will maintain that their customer was right all along and that they will now appeal and then when they run out of appeals they quietly slink off into the dark with their money. EU anti-competitive law has been tested in court time and again by the big telcos and as a rule they have lost every time they tried to get smart with words. Apple will - I predict - fare no different.

neximo64 5y ago
Whilst my appeal may be to authority yours is based on what you feel is right and wrong and that isn't the same as how the law works. In fact it's built to work against what a consumer feels to what that is fair. You might not like it but fair is tilted towards the large company not the consumer in the EU, especially when it comes to a company making profit. The big telcos btw always win, but always makes the consumer happy. Have looked at Orange do this countless times. Why don't you tell me about how happy you feel the EU is green, and then i'll tell you how happy European companies are 'green' now includes natural gas. Both sides win I suppose.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  > The big telcos btw always win You are factually incorrect, if you really did study law you likely did not finish the course.
  - neximo64 5y ago
    I was waiting for this, you have basically gone for an ad hominem, which is how basically you fail to win an argument. I am assuming from the 'where you sit is where you stand' principle that you are from the Netherlands. I can understand how it can be seen as a bit of a defeat this ruling by Apple and their reaction; the expectations were more of a win. Maybe a 3% discount off 30% is a minor improvement. Focus on the facts and not the person. Again this is why you are letting your opinion of Apple be dictated by your feelings, and this is why you can't win against them with this mindset. Btw for someone in my profession to get this is a great thing so I will take the compliment. It is seen as the other person breaking not to have a good argument ;-)