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99% of Apple consumers don’t care about this drama. At the moment there's no point in caring. You don't have a choice, so why worry about it? You have to reme

99% of Apple consumers don’t care about this drama. At the moment there's no point in caring. You don't have a choice, so why worry about it? You have to remember that you, as someone who doesn't care about alternative stores and wouldn't switch, aren't the market for an alternative store. This is about other people and their freedom to choose. Arguing that the Apple iOS store works for you and therefore it should work for everyone else is not how free markets work.

HatchedLake721 5y ago
If Apple iOS store doesn't work for you, there's Google Play store. Free market has nothing to do with how software is loaded on a hardware. There were more options in the past. There was Windows Mobile, Windows Phone, BlackBerry, Nokia, Symbian, etc. But when Apple came to market, they made such an excellent device, along with great developer and consumer experience, that developers agreed for 30% cut and most decided to ditch developing for other platforms, and consumers decided to ditch other now "shitty" phones where they couldn't download their favourite apps for. Microsoft released great phones, but still had issues with software. They tried solving that with throwing money at developers, but developers still didn't want to develop for Windows Phone. Developers played crucial part in the last 10 years to form the market where we are today. And suddenly in 2022, after playing on the same terms for the last 10 years, an access to a marketplace with 1+ billion active users needs to be a free, basic human right that everyone cries for.
tomjen3 5y ago
Would I be free to choose to pay for your App through Apple? Or would the developer have the choice, and I end up having to call them to end the subscription the way so many news papers require you to?
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  Can you currently pay for gas through Apple? Or for your Netflix account? Or for installing Mentor Graphics on your Mac? Why would a business transaction between you and a third party necessarily involve Apple being a payment option?
  - HatchedLake721 5y ago
    Because Apple given the third party access to you via a marketplace. And you are a participant of this marketplace, because Apple spent billions on R&D and ended up being so good, that developers and consumers abandoned other platforms in droves. Apple also smoked previous multibillion competitors (BlackBerry and Nokia) into shame, and they’re now part of history and MBA lectures on how a young and innovative player can kill your slow and boring business in a short time. That’s why Apple is a market leader, with the best vertically integrated hardware and software devices, as well as a marketplace with billion people that both devs and consumers eagerly want to be part of. The same marketplace developers agreed to join by paying up 30% of revenue 10+ years ago, while abandoning Windows Phone and others, and playing part in the shaping the market where it is today. And suddenly developers cry wolf that it’s a basic human right to have access to a marketplace with 1 billion people for free, which they played active part in building.
    - tsimionescu 5y ago
      Apple forces me to use their marketplace to do business with any third party selling software for my phone. It is not "giving access" to third parties, it is restricting them from accessing my phone unless they use Apple's preferred software distribution method. The fact that they were in the right place at the right time with the right fashion and right look and feel to capture this market does not entitle them to perpetually profit from it. And I do say "happened to", because the iPhone had nothing other than chance going for it, and it was simply an idea whose time had come. Several others were developing smartphones at the same time, such as Nokia, LG, and Google's Android. Apple had better and faster execution, much better marketing, and luck.
      - bredren 5y ago
        These are fair points, I am curious how you perceive the existing wireless industry in the United States. It seems to me that Verizon and others are in a state of perpetually profiting their consolidation of companies that were in the "right place at the right time." Would you agree with this? If so, do you think these companies are making outsized profits given lack of entitlement? How would you craft policy that would cover not just the Apple but other companies like wireless carriers? Separately, you mention Mentor Graphics above. Did you mean to refer to chip-level design tool software?

HatchedLake721 5y ago

If Apple iOS store doesn't work for you, there's Google Play store. Free market has nothing to do with how software is loaded on a hardware. There were more options in the past. There was Windows Mobile, Windows Phone, BlackBerry, Nokia, Symbian, etc. But when Apple came to market, they made such an excellent device, along with great developer and consumer experience, that developers agreed for 30% cut and most decided to ditch developing for other platforms, and consumers decided to ditch other now "shitty" phones where they couldn't download their favourite apps for. Microsoft released great phones, but still had issues with software. They tried solving that with throwing money at developers, but developers still didn't want to develop for Windows Phone. Developers played crucial part in the last 10 years to form the market where we are today. And suddenly in 2022, after playing on the same terms for the last 10 years, an access to a marketplace with 1+ billion active users needs to be a free, basic human right that everyone cries for.

tomjen3 5y ago

Would I be free to choose to pay for your App through Apple? Or would the developer have the choice, and I end up having to call them to end the subscription the way so many news papers require you to?

tsimionescu 5y ago
Can you currently pay for gas through Apple? Or for your Netflix account? Or for installing Mentor Graphics on your Mac? Why would a business transaction between you and a third party necessarily involve Apple being a payment option?
- HatchedLake721 5y ago
  Because Apple given the third party access to you via a marketplace. And you are a participant of this marketplace, because Apple spent billions on R&D and ended up being so good, that developers and consumers abandoned other platforms in droves. Apple also smoked previous multibillion competitors (BlackBerry and Nokia) into shame, and they’re now part of history and MBA lectures on how a young and innovative player can kill your slow and boring business in a short time. That’s why Apple is a market leader, with the best vertically integrated hardware and software devices, as well as a marketplace with billion people that both devs and consumers eagerly want to be part of. The same marketplace developers agreed to join by paying up 30% of revenue 10+ years ago, while abandoning Windows Phone and others, and playing part in the shaping the market where it is today. And suddenly developers cry wolf that it’s a basic human right to have access to a marketplace with 1 billion people for free, which they played active part in building.
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    Apple forces me to use their marketplace to do business with any third party selling software for my phone. It is not "giving access" to third parties, it is restricting them from accessing my phone unless they use Apple's preferred software distribution method. The fact that they were in the right place at the right time with the right fashion and right look and feel to capture this market does not entitle them to perpetually profit from it. And I do say "happened to", because the iPhone had nothing other than chance going for it, and it was simply an idea whose time had come. Several others were developing smartphones at the same time, such as Nokia, LG, and Google's Android. Apple had better and faster execution, much better marketing, and luck.
    - bredren 5y ago
      These are fair points, I am curious how you perceive the existing wireless industry in the United States. It seems to me that Verizon and others are in a state of perpetually profiting their consolidation of companies that were in the "right place at the right time." Would you agree with this? If so, do you think these companies are making outsized profits given lack of entitlement? How would you craft policy that would cover not just the Apple but other companies like wireless carriers? Separately, you mention Mentor Graphics above. Did you mean to refer to chip-level design tool software?