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For me, that's a pretty good deal. I could never do this on my own. No one is saying Apple shouldn't offer the service, or that it's not a good service, or eve
by onion2k 5y ago
For me, that's a pretty good deal. I could never do this on my own.
No one is saying Apple shouldn't offer the service, or that it's not a good service, or even that Apple shouldn't charge 15%. If you think Apple do a good job and offer value for money then you should use their service and pay what they charge.
The only thing people want is the opportunity to use a competing service. That's it.
- thathndude 5y agoGoogle Play Store. What am I missing?
- martin_a 5y agoF-Droid is a thing. And I think it's gaining popularity, too.
- onion2k 5y agoIt doesn't work on iOS.
- zepto 5y agoDon’t use iOS then. That’s always a choice.
- vorpalhex 5y agoCool, let me install linux or android on my iphone then.
- stale2002 5y agoIt is also our choice to use anti-competition laws, to require Apple to not engage in anti-competitive practices. If you don't like it, then feel free to vote for something else (but if you lose the vote, thought luck), or move to a different country. Your choice.
- zepto 5y agoThe practices aren’t anti-competitive. That’s just it. This is all about a few other multi-billion dollar companies trying to take money for something they didn’t build. It’s laughably naive to think this is about individual citizens voting for completion law.
- stale2002 5y ago> The practices aren’t anti-competitive. Actually, a judge already found that at least some of Apple's practices were anti-competitive, and order them to stop. So yes, in at least one trial, some of Apple's actions were declared anti-competitive. > voting for completion law This thread is actually literally about a law that was created. And more laws are being created right now, in south korea, the EU, and the USA, and those laws would require Apple to change more of it's behavior. But also, as I mentioned before, a judge literally already found some of Apple's behavior to be illegally anti competitive.
- zepto 5y agoThe judge found almost all of apple’s practices to be ok and not to be anti-competitive. They were ordered to stop only the narrowest of behaviors. If you think that means you can just claim any practice of theirs is anti-competitive then you don’t understand.
- stale2002 5y agoDid you read the part where I said "So yes, in at least one trial, some of Apple's actions were declared anti-competitive."? I didn't say "any" practices. I said some. So yes, some of Apple's practices were anti-competitive. Apple has to win on every single count, otherwise it is a loss compared to the status quo, because that is 1 less thing they are allowed to do. So yes, Apple is at the stage where already "some" of it's practices have been declared anti-competitive. And more lawsuits and laws are happening or being drafted. In fact, the Open Apps Market app just went through the senate committee yesterday, in a rare bipartisan 20 to 2 decision, which would force sideloading of alternate App stores, I believe. If that law passes, it is game over for Apple on this subject. If that passes, there is basically nothing Apple can do to prevent everyone from completely bypassing the 30% fee.
- colinmhayes 5y agoMy phone does not have the Google Play Store
- HatchedLake721 5y agoWhat people and what competing service? People as in consumers? 99% of Apple consumers don’t care about this drama. They just want to click and install an app that’s safe, vetted, and no one will steal their credit card. Same as I don’t care when digitally buying PlayStation games. I don’t care how much Sony charges developers to be on their marketplace, and I don’t want to use alternative stores with additional places where I have to put in my credit card or ask for refunds.
- onion2k 5y ago99% of Apple consumers don’t care about this drama. At the moment there's no point in caring. You don't have a choice, so why worry about it? You have to remember that you, as someone who doesn't care about alternative stores and wouldn't switch, aren't the market for an alternative store. This is about other people and their freedom to choose. Arguing that the Apple iOS store works for you and therefore it should work for everyone else is not how free markets work.
- HatchedLake721 5y agoIf Apple iOS store doesn't work for you, there's Google Play store. Free market has nothing to do with how software is loaded on a hardware. There were more options in the past. There was Windows Mobile, Windows Phone, BlackBerry, Nokia, Symbian, etc. But when Apple came to market, they made such an excellent device, along with great developer and consumer experience, that developers agreed for 30% cut and most decided to ditch developing for other platforms, and consumers decided to ditch other now "shitty" phones where they couldn't download their favourite apps for. Microsoft released great phones, but still had issues with software. They tried solving that with throwing money at developers, but developers still didn't want to develop for Windows Phone. Developers played crucial part in the last 10 years to form the market where we are today. And suddenly in 2022, after playing on the same terms for the last 10 years, an access to a marketplace with 1+ billion active users needs to be a free, basic human right that everyone cries for.
- tomjen3 5y agoWould I be free to choose to pay for your App through Apple? Or would the developer have the choice, and I end up having to call them to end the subscription the way so many news papers require you to?
- ambicapter 5y agoJailbreak your iPhone, put a competing service on it.
- celsoazevedo 5y agoIs jailbreak supported by Apple?