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Stop with the needless hate. We are talking about people in the top 8% of the income bracket in US. Not a single engineer in Amazon that has or is getting PIPe

Stop with the needless hate. We are talking about people in the top 8% of the income bracket in US. Not a single engineer in Amazon that has or is getting PIPed is losing their livelihood. If you have Amazon on your resume, no matter what, you will have no issues finding another job, because the acceptance rate by itself to Amazon is <10% of all candidates, which acts as a very good filter and indicator for other companies that your more competent than a large percentage of work force there, so you automatically get a shot at an interview and likely a job offer if you are actually competent. The biggest drawback of something like this is maybe having to wait an extra few months before buying that sweet BMW M3 that you wanted. If anything, this kind of stuff should be viewed as games, because that's all this is. Supply/demand of labor mixed in with a few political and psychological things. The manager is not even close to being an asshole, he is just playing the game like all the employees are. Lets not pretend that the majority of people wanting to work at Amazon care enough about changing the world, they just want that MAANG salary.

deelly 5y ago
Cool, basically, "I can abuse you in any way I want because I`m paying you a good money". So, why this is shitty? Mainly because thats inside thing, and there no way to learn it during interview. >> Not a single engineer in Amazon that has or is getting PIPed is losing their livelihood. Can you provide source for this claim?
- ActorNightly 5y ago
  I did in the next sentence logically. Its impossible to gather such data since you would have to track people across multiple jobs.
deltaonefour 5y ago
>If anything, this kind of stuff should be viewed as games, because that's all this is. Supply/demand of labor mixed in with a few political and psychological things. The manager is not even close to being an asshole, he is just playing the game like all the employees are. Firing people and putting them on PIP is just a game because amazon is such a great company to have on your resume? It's just a game because his livelihood is not effected? What universe do you live in? Let me tell you about how the world works. If you fire people for trying to transfer teams. If you lie and make up stories about performance because someone tried to transfer teams. You're an ass hole through and through. No one is being hated here. Just being called out, and people are expressing their extreme dislike for such behavior. I can't believe you called it a game. This must be how ass hole managers justify their actions to themselves. It's like a bully in school calling it all a game because the person being bullied still has parents that feed him. Let's be real. It's not a game. Not. at. all.
- ActorNightly 5y ago
  When talking about labor management, there is a big difference in it from the perspective of someone making 40k a year with a more demanding job, where they depend on that job for basic necessities and family support, and from the perspective of SDEs that have very kushy lives with very little risk, ESPECIALLY at MAANG level. As such, if some Amazon manager wants to fire, PIP, overload with work, or do whatever he thinks is necessary to its not imorral or makes him an asshole. An employee can just quit and find a different job quite easily and retain his kushy life. And to be clear this works both ways - if SDEs want to avoid Amazon or share their experiences, thats all fine as well. But to start going after personal qualities of managers because someone cant keep their 200k/year position makes you the enitlted asshole, not me.

deelly 5y ago

Cool, basically, "I can abuse you in any way I want because I`m paying you a good money". So, why this is shitty? Mainly because thats inside thing, and there no way to learn it during interview. >> Not a single engineer in Amazon that has or is getting PIPed is losing their livelihood. Can you provide source for this claim?

ActorNightly 5y ago
I did in the next sentence logically. Its impossible to gather such data since you would have to track people across multiple jobs.

deltaonefour 5y ago

>If anything, this kind of stuff should be viewed as games, because that's all this is. Supply/demand of labor mixed in with a few political and psychological things. The manager is not even close to being an asshole, he is just playing the game like all the employees are. Firing people and putting them on PIP is just a game because amazon is such a great company to have on your resume? It's just a game because his livelihood is not effected? What universe do you live in? Let me tell you about how the world works. If you fire people for trying to transfer teams. If you lie and make up stories about performance because someone tried to transfer teams. You're an ass hole through and through. No one is being hated here. Just being called out, and people are expressing their extreme dislike for such behavior. I can't believe you called it a game. This must be how ass hole managers justify their actions to themselves. It's like a bully in school calling it all a game because the person being bullied still has parents that feed him. Let's be real. It's not a game. Not. at. all.

ActorNightly 5y ago
When talking about labor management, there is a big difference in it from the perspective of someone making 40k a year with a more demanding job, where they depend on that job for basic necessities and family support, and from the perspective of SDEs that have very kushy lives with very little risk, ESPECIALLY at MAANG level. As such, if some Amazon manager wants to fire, PIP, overload with work, or do whatever he thinks is necessary to its not imorral or makes him an asshole. An employee can just quit and find a different job quite easily and retain his kushy life. And to be clear this works both ways - if SDEs want to avoid Amazon or share their experiences, thats all fine as well. But to start going after personal qualities of managers because someone cant keep their 200k/year position makes you the enitlted asshole, not me.