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> What's "up" isn't strictly generational, but a question of who's fallen into a black hole where they waste their time on social media and have no work ethic b

> What's "up" isn't strictly generational, but a question of who's fallen into a black hole where they waste their time on social media and have no work ethic because they've never felt the slightest need or pressure to scrub toilets or bus tables. I'm thankful to be from a generation where we had to do grunt work, from well before 16, and where friends were people you hung out with in real life when your job was done. What we're really seeing is the halo effect of pampering and coddling of kids 'rants' like this scare the shit out of me. minimum wages have not kept up with inflation and gig work platforms and zero hour contracts have killed unions. financialization of the housing market means working class people are becoming lifelong renters. you see this and tell me people are lazy and that we are coddling children? huh? > If anyone had complained they were too good to do hard work in the '90s, you would have risked being seen as an elite rich snob. In fact a lot of my friends rejected college and went into trades or trucking because it was "HONEST WORK"... because they were embarrassed to be the kind of lazy people who would put on a tie and sit at a desk. > The boomers did a real bad job of raising their kids. i think you'd benefit from applying a marxist/dialectical materialist lens that recognizes that real power coming from belonging to the propertied class. you seem to be close to it yet you are still using a term like 'boomer', which is in my opinion a useless term as it suggests that all folks from the baby boomer generation have much in common; which is not the case as some are born into the propertied class and have a lot of opportunities and chances to fail and get back up again. most boomers are born working class and thus without those chances (on somewhat of a scale of course, but more often than not it means a much tougher path in life).

noduerme 5y ago
Well. I didn't mean to give a scary rant. I really do think people just need to work harder, and their conception of what's too hard now is incredibly weaksauce. Yeah: A lot of boomers ended up propertied without even trying; Yeah: it's somewhat harder to own property now than it was then, but mainly because the boomers are still sitting on it, and in the next 15 years an enormous amount of housing stock is going to be available, possibly so much that we'll have to shrink the suburbs back to the cities, which would be a good thing. I do think people have become lazy. I don't see the work ethic of my parents or grandparents in anyone anymore. I can't claim I have it either; but at least I'm not hypnotized by social movements (or, for fucksake Marxist dialectics) into thinking I'm a victim of circumstance. My grandparents were victims of circumstance (and they were solid communists from Russia who gave that shit up and became store owners in America). My father was the first person in my family to go to a university. I don't need a fucking marxist lens to explain to me why my friends in PDX going to BLM/anti-cop protests and getting pepper sprayed are doing what they do. I just think they're putting their energy in the wrong place. But at least they actually give a shit about something, unlike most of the rest of their generation in America who sit on their thumb and tweet about it.

noduerme 5y ago

Well. I didn't mean to give a scary rant. I really do think people just need to work harder, and their conception of what's too hard now is incredibly weaksauce. Yeah: A lot of boomers ended up propertied without even trying; Yeah: it's somewhat harder to own property now than it was then, but mainly because the boomers are still sitting on it, and in the next 15 years an enormous amount of housing stock is going to be available, possibly so much that we'll have to shrink the suburbs back to the cities, which would be a good thing. I do think people have become lazy. I don't see the work ethic of my parents or grandparents in anyone anymore. I can't claim I have it either; but at least I'm not hypnotized by social movements (or, for fucksake Marxist dialectics) into thinking I'm a victim of circumstance. My grandparents were victims of circumstance (and they were solid communists from Russia who gave that shit up and became store owners in America). My father was the first person in my family to go to a university. I don't need a fucking marxist lens to explain to me why my friends in PDX going to BLM/anti-cop protests and getting pepper sprayed are doing what they do. I just think they're putting their energy in the wrong place. But at least they actually give a shit about something, unlike most of the rest of their generation in America who sit on their thumb and tweet about it.