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I’ll be honest, I learned an absurd amount. Like more in those six months than in four years if previous work. It was real software development, with actual dis

I’ll be honest, I learned an absurd amount. Like more in those six months than in four years if previous work. It was real software development, with actual distributed systems problems. But was also scarring, I have huge trust issues with management now

mytailorisrich 5y ago
> But was also scarring, I have huge trust issues with management now This is the normal approach. You are experienced and wise now.
- pm90 5y ago
  Is it really? Seems an unnecessarily stressful way to get experience. I kinda agree with the OP, I would have a lot of trust issues with management if they pulled this shit on me.
  - southerntofu 5y ago
    > I would have a lot of trust issues with management if they pulled this shit on me. You should have trust issues with "management" in any corporation because these people have the interest of the shareholders at heart, not of the workers. It's just sad some of us have to go through a traumatic burnout to learn this lesson. Of course, what i said doesn't apply in a self-organized workers cooperatives where management is the workers.
    - mytailorisrich 5y ago
      Yes, exactly my point. I was not commenting that it is normal to have a rather traumatic experience but that it ought to be normal (and frankly, healthy) to have "trust issues with management".
    - DarylZero 5y ago
      They don't have the interest of the shareholders at heart, they have their own career interests at heart. The shareholders try to build a social control structure that aligns these, but it never fully succeeds.
      - southerntofu 5y ago
        The details can be debated, but to ordinary worker instances both shareholders and management inherit from RichAsshole class who both have the same implementation for the Empathy interface: def caresAbout(self, other): if type(self) == type(other): return random.choice([True, False]) return False
  - urthor 5y ago
    I'm convinced human beings are naturally designed to operate at 120% for 6-12 week long periods. \ Hunter gatherer survivalist genes just kick in. YMMV, but I consider it a healthy thing for, at least for some part of your career, to work "Amazon hard." Aka, all the reasons that people list when they say you should really try working for a startup. When you push yourself to your limits at your profession, a lot of stuff clicks into place and you learn so much. You can't procrastinate, you can't do it wrong, there just isn't the time.
    - praptak 5y ago
      It is stupid to work that hard on making a rich asshole even richer.
      - alecbz 5y ago
        That's just a side effect, not the reason to do it.
    - np- 5y ago
      > When you push yourself to your limits at your profession, a lot of stuff clicks into place and you learn so much. Maybe a cynical take, but if you’re pushing limits then you’re probably just learning the right corners to cut, shortcuts to take, and how to exploit/manipulate people to get what you want fast. If you didn’t learn any of that, then—well, someone else just learned all that at your expense and you’re setting yourself up to just be exploited again and again. > there just isn't the time Yeah, that’s the root cause. Why is there no time? Is someone’s life on the line for this deadline or is it just that the manager is eyeing a sweet bonus for delivering early. 99.9% of the time it’s the latter. So why learn how to get manipulated? Learning to work at a consistent pace is far more sustainable. Tortoise and the hare.
    - LadyCoconut 5y ago
      Human beings are not designed to operate at 120% for 6-12 week long periods; they're designed to survive it. The difference is important. Working at such a rhythm helped me learn much. It also durably damaged my body (both because it chipped away at my health and because it made me forego health check-up), my mental health, and made me lose personal connections. To this day, I'm still picking up the pieces. Human beings are also "designed" to survive long period of hunger if need be, but no one would argue that going without for a week is a fine and healthy way to lose weight.
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  But also scarred and likely burnt out. After that kind of experience, it can take a year or more before you're back to 'normal', if at all.
- bartvk 5y ago
  Are you serious, or sarcastic? I can't tell.

mytailorisrich 5y ago

> But was also scarring, I have huge trust issues with management now This is the normal approach. You are experienced and wise now.

pm90 5y ago
Is it really? Seems an unnecessarily stressful way to get experience. I kinda agree with the OP, I would have a lot of trust issues with management if they pulled this shit on me.
- southerntofu 5y ago
  > I would have a lot of trust issues with management if they pulled this shit on me. You should have trust issues with "management" in any corporation because these people have the interest of the shareholders at heart, not of the workers. It's just sad some of us have to go through a traumatic burnout to learn this lesson. Of course, what i said doesn't apply in a self-organized workers cooperatives where management is the workers.
  - mytailorisrich 5y ago
    Yes, exactly my point. I was not commenting that it is normal to have a rather traumatic experience but that it ought to be normal (and frankly, healthy) to have "trust issues with management".
  - DarylZero 5y ago
    They don't have the interest of the shareholders at heart, they have their own career interests at heart. The shareholders try to build a social control structure that aligns these, but it never fully succeeds.
    - southerntofu 5y ago
      The details can be debated, but to ordinary worker instances both shareholders and management inherit from RichAsshole class who both have the same implementation for the Empathy interface: def caresAbout(self, other): if type(self) == type(other): return random.choice([True, False]) return False
- urthor 5y ago
  I'm convinced human beings are naturally designed to operate at 120% for 6-12 week long periods. \ Hunter gatherer survivalist genes just kick in. YMMV, but I consider it a healthy thing for, at least for some part of your career, to work "Amazon hard." Aka, all the reasons that people list when they say you should really try working for a startup. When you push yourself to your limits at your profession, a lot of stuff clicks into place and you learn so much. You can't procrastinate, you can't do it wrong, there just isn't the time.
  - praptak 5y ago
    It is stupid to work that hard on making a rich asshole even richer.
    - alecbz 5y ago
      That's just a side effect, not the reason to do it.
  - np- 5y ago
    > When you push yourself to your limits at your profession, a lot of stuff clicks into place and you learn so much. Maybe a cynical take, but if you’re pushing limits then you’re probably just learning the right corners to cut, shortcuts to take, and how to exploit/manipulate people to get what you want fast. If you didn’t learn any of that, then—well, someone else just learned all that at your expense and you’re setting yourself up to just be exploited again and again. > there just isn't the time Yeah, that’s the root cause. Why is there no time? Is someone’s life on the line for this deadline or is it just that the manager is eyeing a sweet bonus for delivering early. 99.9% of the time it’s the latter. So why learn how to get manipulated? Learning to work at a consistent pace is far more sustainable. Tortoise and the hare.
  - LadyCoconut 5y ago
    Human beings are not designed to operate at 120% for 6-12 week long periods; they're designed to survive it. The difference is important. Working at such a rhythm helped me learn much. It also durably damaged my body (both because it chipped away at my health and because it made me forego health check-up), my mental health, and made me lose personal connections. To this day, I'm still picking up the pieces. Human beings are also "designed" to survive long period of hunger if need be, but no one would argue that going without for a week is a fine and healthy way to lose weight.
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
But also scarred and likely burnt out. After that kind of experience, it can take a year or more before you're back to 'normal', if at all.
bartvk 5y ago
Are you serious, or sarcastic? I can't tell.