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> The first freeway ever was made in California What road is that? How about the Pennsylvania Turnpike?

by sk5t 5y ago

lazide 5y ago
That is a toll road and highway, not a freeway. Definitely some definition slicing going on - the 110 in SoCal was the first recognized freeway [https://www.motortrend.com/features/1804-americas-first-freeway-the-arroyo-seco-parkway-aka-the-110/amp/ https://www.motortrend.com/features/1804-americas-first-free...] Differences are typically that a freeway is designed and constructed to allow maximum speed and no interruptions/stops (hence all the on/off ramps, lack of lights, lack of toll booths), and is available to the general public for use without significant restrictions or costs. Which make it far easier to use, faster, etc. the interstate highway system was designed largely using the model.
- sk5t 5y ago
  AFAIK only in California are toll-free, multi-lane highways called "freeways," so there may be no end to the definition-jockeying. If maximum speed is a necessary factor then CA may have no freeways at all remaining.
  - lazide 5y ago
    Haha, yeah the whole ‘high speed’ thing is pretty much only at 2am on a Wednesday in many parts of California now. One key thing at the time I believe was the grade separation/right of way stuff, which I think had only occurred on toll roads for any distance before. Previously almost all highways ended up having to stop or intersect with other roads (and hence stop signs, or traffic lights, or whatever). Most highways are still that way, outside of major arterials. Most major arterial highways are the same as freeways now everywhere of course, but I think that’s more about economic factors. California I think was just the first mover on it (and got exposed to those same economic factors earlier than most). At the time (and still does, though it gets less press now), California was a huge oil state, and was at the forefront of designing and building refineries too.

> The first freeway ever was made in California What road is that? How about the Pennsylvania Turnpike?

by sk5t 5y ago

> The first freeway ever was made in California What road is that? How about the Pennsylvania Turnpike?

That is a toll road and highway, not a freeway. Definitely some definition slicing going on - the 110 in SoCal was the first recognized freeway [https://www.motortrend.com/features/1804-americas-first-freeway-the-arroyo-seco-parkway-aka-the-110/amp/ https://www.motortrend.com/features/1804-americas-first-free...] Differences are typically that a freeway is designed and constructed to allow maximum speed and no interruptions/stops (hence all the on/off ramps, lack of lights, lack of toll booths), and is available to the general public for use without significant restrictions or costs. Which make it far easier to use, faster, etc. the interstate highway system was designed largely using the model.

sk5t 5y ago
AFAIK only in California are toll-free, multi-lane highways called "freeways," so there may be no end to the definition-jockeying. If maximum speed is a necessary factor then CA may have no freeways at all remaining.
- lazide 5y ago
  Haha, yeah the whole ‘high speed’ thing is pretty much only at 2am on a Wednesday in many parts of California now. One key thing at the time I believe was the grade separation/right of way stuff, which I think had only occurred on toll roads for any distance before. Previously almost all highways ended up having to stop or intersect with other roads (and hence stop signs, or traffic lights, or whatever). Most highways are still that way, outside of major arterials. Most major arterial highways are the same as freeways now everywhere of course, but I think that’s more about economic factors. California I think was just the first mover on it (and got exposed to those same economic factors earlier than most). At the time (and still does, though it gets less press now), California was a huge oil state, and was at the forefront of designing and building refineries too.