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Yeah but linux is configurable. Don't like your UI? Rip it out. It's not locked down like windows or mac. SO feels very weird to blame linux here and not... GN

Yeah but linux is configurable. Don't like your UI? Rip it out. It's not locked down like windows or mac. SO feels very weird to blame linux here and not... GNOME.

lmm 5y ago
Plenty of major Linux distributions have made GNOME the primary or only "supported" UI, and plenty of site administrators don't want you to switch it out and may enforce that to a lesser or greater extent (e.g. not installing anything else). I do blame GNOME, but they're pretty much the face of Linux these days (I'd say ever since Mandriva went bankrupt tbh. - RedHat in particular is very closely involved in GNOME development). And "don't like your UI? Rip it out" is less and less true now that modern linux is adding more tight integrations with rapidly-shifting interfaces. E.g. if you're running Wayland then a lot of stuff (e.g. screenrecording) only works with the GNOME compositor. Some of the modern app distribution stuff (Docker? Snap?) requires your DE to be running the right DBus sessions / process namespaces / etc. . If you use one application from a DE it's maybe expecting more things to be running - PulseAudio, clipboard management, ... It's possible, but these days I'm not sure how big the practical difference is from using something like BB4Win.
- bzzzt 5y ago
  Then don't run Wayland or Gnome and see how far you get without going insane. You seem to be forgetting that systems have become a lot more complex than 20 years ago and most people prefer for things to 'just work' instead of fiddling with the terminal to fix their wireless network or bluetooth headphone. And after that there are some pesky security things like every X client being able to read and inject keystrokes in every other window. If you want meaningful security it's useless to cling to the decades old way of doing things.
  - Jorengarenar 5y ago
    >Then don't run Wayland or Gnome and see how far you get without going insane. Pretty far? GNOME isn't by any means the best DE out there? And Wayland is still in infancy?
  - LAC-Tech 5y ago
    Even with minimalist distros you fiddle with your terminal to get wifi and x working once and then it's done. It's not like you have to do it all the time (unlike windows 10 which would mute my headphones every single time it updated. still can't remember how to fix that even though it happened twice it was so non-obvious). Also I haven't touched gnome in years, it's either been i3 or openbox. Feel pretty sane.
iqanq 5y ago
I don't know about Mac, but on Windows you can change everything from the start menu to the taskbar to Explorer to anything else you like.
- LAC-Tech 5y ago
  How do you replace the window manager? the default one is really bad
  - notreallyserio 5y ago
    What don't you like about it? Maybe there are some options you'd be interested in trying.

Yeah but linux is configurable. Don't like your UI? Rip it out. It's not locked down like windows or mac. SO feels very weird to blame linux here and not... GNOME.

lmm 5y ago

Plenty of major Linux distributions have made GNOME the primary or only "supported" UI, and plenty of site administrators don't want you to switch it out and may enforce that to a lesser or greater extent (e.g. not installing anything else). I do blame GNOME, but they're pretty much the face of Linux these days (I'd say ever since Mandriva went bankrupt tbh. - RedHat in particular is very closely involved in GNOME development). And "don't like your UI? Rip it out" is less and less true now that modern linux is adding more tight integrations with rapidly-shifting interfaces. E.g. if you're running Wayland then a lot of stuff (e.g. screenrecording) only works with the GNOME compositor. Some of the modern app distribution stuff (Docker? Snap?) requires your DE to be running the right DBus sessions / process namespaces / etc. . If you use one application from a DE it's maybe expecting more things to be running - PulseAudio, clipboard management, ... It's possible, but these days I'm not sure how big the practical difference is from using something like BB4Win.

bzzzt 5y ago
Then don't run Wayland or Gnome and see how far you get without going insane. You seem to be forgetting that systems have become a lot more complex than 20 years ago and most people prefer for things to 'just work' instead of fiddling with the terminal to fix their wireless network or bluetooth headphone. And after that there are some pesky security things like every X client being able to read and inject keystrokes in every other window. If you want meaningful security it's useless to cling to the decades old way of doing things.
- Jorengarenar 5y ago
  >Then don't run Wayland or Gnome and see how far you get without going insane. Pretty far? GNOME isn't by any means the best DE out there? And Wayland is still in infancy?
- LAC-Tech 5y ago
  Even with minimalist distros you fiddle with your terminal to get wifi and x working once and then it's done. It's not like you have to do it all the time (unlike windows 10 which would mute my headphones every single time it updated. still can't remember how to fix that even though it happened twice it was so non-obvious). Also I haven't touched gnome in years, it's either been i3 or openbox. Feel pretty sane.

iqanq 5y ago

I don't know about Mac, but on Windows you can change everything from the start menu to the taskbar to Explorer to anything else you like.

LAC-Tech 5y ago
How do you replace the window manager? the default one is really bad
- notreallyserio 5y ago
  What don't you like about it? Maybe there are some options you'd be interested in trying.