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I talked about this recently, and I was reminded of the Blackhawk War. I have read Blackhawk's memoirs, because it's such a part of my community, but nobody kn
by chasil 5y ago
I talked about this recently, and I was reminded of the Blackhawk War.
I have read Blackhawk's memoirs, because it's such a part of my community, but nobody knows it.
There were extenuating circumstances (the British gun-running down the Mississipi).
U.S. forces suffered important defeats (Campbell's Island, and the Battle of Credit Island that humbled future president Zachary Taylor.)
I learned from another source that Blackhawk had a favorite teacup in his preferred trader's house (George Davenport), prior to his revolt.
Are we truly clean to judge?
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/7097/7097-h/7097-h.htm https://www.gutenberg.org/files/7097/7097-h/7097-h.htm
- chasil 5y agoThe end of the Blackhawk War was the battle of Bad Axe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bad_Axe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bad_Axe
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- outside1234 5y agoThis sounds like 50 cent army stuff for what it is worth: https://www.voanews.com/a/who-is-that-chinese-troll/3540663.html https://www.voanews.com/a/who-is-that-chinese-troll/3540663....
- VictorPath 5y agoThere is not correct and incorrect, there are independent thinkers (who want to meddle in China, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela) and there are paid shills. No one is ever a paid shill for US imperialism, NED grants are for independent thinkers...
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- TulliusCicero 5y ago> Are we truly clean to judge? What kind of weird deflection is this? The US having done some horrible stuff in the past (or present) doesn't somehow excuse China doing horrible things too.
- Quikinterp 5y agoEven weirder is the implication that everyone reading this is going to be from the US, which is simply not true.
- chasil 5y agoLikewise from Iowa. Heaven forbid!
- falseprofit 5y agoThe above mentioned deflection is weird, but this implication isn’t there. The article is from NPR.
- TulliusCicero 5y agoSo the fact that this happens to be a US outlet reporting on it means you can just assume people commenting here are from the states? What? If someone posts an English article from Deutsche Welle, should we assume everyone commenting on it is German?
- VictorPath 5y agoYaa this website is in the US and is in English, bizarre this person is addressing Americans.
- pmontra 5y agoOK, the USA have a history of growing by slavery and genocides. That can't be changed and the descendants of the winners are better off than the descendants of the losers. But people living in Europe had their own much longer history of genocides. Example, I'm Italian. If I could look back into my family tree for 2 or 3 millenia I'm sure I'll find all sort of nasty and nice people. Somebody who fought their local wars, somebody invaded by Latins, some Latin invader, somebody who went invading other countries, somebody invading Italy in the last 2k years, somebody that had a part in the few colonial wars fought by Italy in the last centuries, etc. Somebody from a family branch probably went to the USA or any other expanding country and they of their descendants had their share of helping killing off native people. Replace Italy with another European county. They could have had a less nasty ancient history but they are likely to have a more recent nastier one. And replace with most countries around the world, they still have some huge or small stains in their history. So this actually applies to nearly all people alive now. This means that we should condone China because they are doing what our ancestors did, maybe on different scale or maybe canceling cultures not by indoctrination but by removing heads from bodies? I don't think so. What's important is what we do, not what ancestors did. But don't forget what they did.
- Permit 5y agoYou read about horrible things that happened in the 1800s and your takeaway is... we should allow such things to happen again today? Can you elaborate a little bit?
- chasil 5y agoCan we possibly see ourselves as objective judges when our collective history is essentially, from this historic perspective, butchery? What blessed this generation with a wisdom not seen before? What, precisely?
- artificialLimbs 5y agoChange. Goddamn, are you serious standing there saying "it's cool, rape and torture them. Our country used to do it a few generations ago." Privileged asshole.
- chasil 5y agoShould we be compelled to intervene in sovereign nations? Does sovereignty still exist?
- TeeMassive 5y agoChina wouldn't exist as a free country without American interventionism in the Pacific ;)
- chasil 5y agoYou will never find what you are seeking. People do as they do. All the weeping in the world will not make it so.
- TulliusCicero 5y agoSeriously? You see reports of state-sponsored child abuse and your first instinct is, "well, who are we to judge?" I imagine the answer should be, "pretty much anyone who isn't a child abuser."
- ddulaney 5y agoNobody is clean. Everybody must judge. Not only is it possible for an American to condemn abuse of children, they have a moral duty to do so. It is also a requirement that China hold America to account for what America and Americans have done, in the past and today. But any news outlet has not only a right but a duty to denounce human rights abuses everywhere.
- chasil 5y agoIf we hold the United States to account, then how far back should that go? Prior to the U.S. government, smallpox was aggressively dispersed in the Americas, removing 90% of the native population. Are we willing to indict Spain? If not, why not? I am no more guilty than they. (I have karma to burn, feel free.)
- PeterisP 5y agoThe only thing we can change to actually help people is not through indictment of past but by ensuring that abuses stop and abusers change behavior. It's good that some places have stopped it now. it's not good that some are still continuing to do so - and need to be stopped. Past abuses do not excuse or justify current ones, they are in an entirely different moral category that things which are happening now and can be changed (unlike tha past). The cases like the smallpox ones are condemnable and condemned, and we should not suffer anyone doing that now or in the future, no matter if it's USA or China or anyone else.
- chasil 5y agoWhat you have not understood is that the U.S. is the oldest functioning democracrcy. Our age implies intransigence. We're like your obnoxious uncle.
- VictorPath 5y ago
- npteljes 5y ago>Are we truly clean to judge? We're aware enough to change.