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You respect Al Jazeera because of the differences between it and nearly all (if not all) American media. I don't understand how you could support the erosion of

You respect Al Jazeera because of the differences between it and nearly all (if not all) American media. I don't understand how you could support the erosion of those differences and still expect to have in the end a media organization that you respected. Or, to put it another way: by the time Al Jazeera became a popular source for news in the USA, it would no longer be Al Jazeera.

sliverstorm 15y ago
My hope would be that with small compromises made in key areas, it could be widely accepted otherwise unaltered. It is a common enough occurrence in plenty of industries. Japanese auto makers are heavily shaped by the demands of the American car industry- but did they wind up just another GM, another Chrysler? No, they retained many of the vital qualities that differentiated them and made them worth importing.
- thaumaturgy 15y ago
  Probably you and I just have different ideas of what an acceptable compromise is. If the request were to use news paper instead of parchment, or to bleep out profanity on basic cable channels while on primetime (which I personally think is stupid, but I might as well start suggesting that people raise their own children), or if the request were to blur graphic images of mutilated bodies under the same circumstances -- I might, after a bit of thought, decide that those were reasonable compromises. But that's not what this was. This was the U.S. "asking" a foreign journalistic organization to be less critical of U.S. activities -- and that organization agreeing. This really should be bone-chilling, not just a reasonable compromise.
  - sliverstorm 15y ago
    Al Jazeera has a long-standing strong and vocal bias against the USA. It seems to be pretty well known. I have been reading their articles for months. I guarantee you that bias still shows through. Even in their "toned-down" state, I have felt my ears get red reading some of their articles. They have hardly been warped to be "pro-US". I would be more concerned if their voice had actually swung to be "pro-US"; as things stand, they seem to have gone from "extremely critical of the US" to "still critical but a little nicer about it".
    - mkr-hn 15y ago
      Can you cite a few so there's a basis for discussion? I see a lot of people saying they're anti-US, but it's usually supported with articles and video critical of government actions, not the country itself.
      - sliverstorm 15y ago
        I have been reading their articles less frequently in the last month, and do not have any good examples in memory or on hand. Edit: Today AJE has presented me with a decent example! http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/201192065551745558.html http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/2011920... In regards to the anti-US bit- I do not mean to say they hate America. I have no reason to believe they wish America ill- though they certainly seem to wish America would get out of the Middle East. What I mean is they appear to have a very critical bias towards the actions of America, and I suspect this is what most people mean when they describe Al Jazeera as "anti-US". This bias is not unilaterally a bad thing- but that does not mean it does not exist.
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        delackner 15y ago
        Conflating "America" with "the US Government" plays into the simplistic arguments of those that try to paint their enemies as "hating our freedom" when they simply take issue with having their families murdered.
        mkr-hn 15y ago
        That's an opinion piece. It's even filed under "opinion" with a big section header so you can't confuse it for a news report. Are we talking about bias in opinion pages or news reporting?
        saturn 15y ago
        Biased? That article? I thought it a very fair analysis, evenhanded almost to a fault. You might not agree, of course, but bias isn't about whether you agree or not. It's a systematic favouring of one side of an argument over others, regardless of facts. I don't see much evidence of that in the article, which is a fairly dry analysis of the realpolitik affecting the region and the coming UN vote.

sliverstorm 15y ago

My hope would be that with small compromises made in key areas, it could be widely accepted otherwise unaltered. It is a common enough occurrence in plenty of industries. Japanese auto makers are heavily shaped by the demands of the American car industry- but did they wind up just another GM, another Chrysler? No, they retained many of the vital qualities that differentiated them and made them worth importing.

thaumaturgy 15y ago
Probably you and I just have different ideas of what an acceptable compromise is. If the request were to use news paper instead of parchment, or to bleep out profanity on basic cable channels while on primetime (which I personally think is stupid, but I might as well start suggesting that people raise their own children), or if the request were to blur graphic images of mutilated bodies under the same circumstances -- I might, after a bit of thought, decide that those were reasonable compromises. But that's not what this was. This was the U.S. "asking" a foreign journalistic organization to be less critical of U.S. activities -- and that organization agreeing. This really should be bone-chilling, not just a reasonable compromise.
- sliverstorm 15y ago
  Al Jazeera has a long-standing strong and vocal bias against the USA. It seems to be pretty well known. I have been reading their articles for months. I guarantee you that bias still shows through. Even in their "toned-down" state, I have felt my ears get red reading some of their articles. They have hardly been warped to be "pro-US". I would be more concerned if their voice had actually swung to be "pro-US"; as things stand, they seem to have gone from "extremely critical of the US" to "still critical but a little nicer about it".
  - mkr-hn 15y ago
    Can you cite a few so there's a basis for discussion? I see a lot of people saying they're anti-US, but it's usually supported with articles and video critical of government actions, not the country itself.
    - sliverstorm 15y ago
      I have been reading their articles less frequently in the last month, and do not have any good examples in memory or on hand. Edit: Today AJE has presented me with a decent example! http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/201192065551745558.html http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/2011920... In regards to the anti-US bit- I do not mean to say they hate America. I have no reason to believe they wish America ill- though they certainly seem to wish America would get out of the Middle East. What I mean is they appear to have a very critical bias towards the actions of America, and I suspect this is what most people mean when they describe Al Jazeera as "anti-US". This bias is not unilaterally a bad thing- but that does not mean it does not exist.
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      - delackner 15y ago
        Conflating "America" with "the US Government" plays into the simplistic arguments of those that try to paint their enemies as "hating our freedom" when they simply take issue with having their families murdered.
      - mkr-hn 15y ago
        That's an opinion piece. It's even filed under "opinion" with a big section header so you can't confuse it for a news report. Are we talking about bias in opinion pages or news reporting?
      - saturn 15y ago
        Biased? That article? I thought it a very fair analysis, evenhanded almost to a fault. You might not agree, of course, but bias isn't about whether you agree or not. It's a systematic favouring of one side of an argument over others, regardless of facts. I don't see much evidence of that in the article, which is a fairly dry analysis of the realpolitik affecting the region and the coming UN vote.