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>If we end the visa lotteries, curb illegal immigration, we'll have more room for merit based immigrants. This is a total non-sequitor. Having "more room," rem

>If we end the visa lotteries, curb illegal immigration, we'll have more room for merit based immigrants. This is a total non-sequitor. Having "more room," removing the entirely artificial barriers to citizenship, has nothing to do with illegal immigration and visa lotteries. The people in charge can remove the barriers whenever they decide to, but instead they work to convince you that "illegal immigration" is causing the problem. They blame "illegal immigration" because it provides an easy scapegoat for their negligence, a convenient foundation on which to build mass support for their subsequent election while ignoring the problems their base actually has.

hunterb123 5y ago
Are there limitless resources? Is there a limit to immigration? Do other countries have limits? Answer these questions. Noone convinced me of anything, I determined my opinion based on experiences and facts. Yes illegal immigration takes away from legal immigration. Yes our immigration system needs updating. No, we don't agree on how to update it. Both sides have had congress. Your quarrel is not with me, but with your representatives. I scold mine every election cycle, have you ever?
- omegaworks 5y ago
  >Yes illegal immigration takes away from legal immigration. Bullshit. This line of thinking is designed to get immigrants fighting and hating each other. A tool for the elites to divide immigrants into "deserving" and "undeserving" factions.
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    Nope. It's simply respecting the laws and being an adult. No other country just lets you walk in, I'd love to just walk into Japan and be a citizen without learning the language or anything, but I'd be doing myself and their country a disservice. Do you honestly think the immigrants who did all that shit want to see people cut the system? I'll give you a hint, no they don't. Illegal immigration causes family hardship, deaths from the journey, 33% chance of rape for girls, human trafficking, cartel violence / funding, gang proliferation, etc. Supporting that enables those things to continue. You aren't being compassionate, you're being childish.
    - omegaworks 5y ago
      >No other country just lets you walk in There's a massive difference between "just walk in" and what we actually have: waiting a hundred years for the probable chance at a backlog somewhere being cleared to process your highly restrictive visa. You are being hyperbolic. >Illegal immigration causes family hardship, deaths from the journey, 33% chance of rape for girls, human trafficking, cartel violence / funding, gang proliferation, etc. All those effects are caused by the militarization of the border and the failure to create realistic paths to citizenship. You are blaming the victims of our system for the horrors that are visited upon them by people that take advantage of the artificially high barriers.

hunterb123 5y ago

Are there limitless resources? Is there a limit to immigration? Do other countries have limits? Answer these questions. Noone convinced me of anything, I determined my opinion based on experiences and facts. Yes illegal immigration takes away from legal immigration. Yes our immigration system needs updating. No, we don't agree on how to update it. Both sides have had congress. Your quarrel is not with me, but with your representatives. I scold mine every election cycle, have you ever?

omegaworks 5y ago
>Yes illegal immigration takes away from legal immigration. Bullshit. This line of thinking is designed to get immigrants fighting and hating each other. A tool for the elites to divide immigrants into "deserving" and "undeserving" factions.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  Nope. It's simply respecting the laws and being an adult. No other country just lets you walk in, I'd love to just walk into Japan and be a citizen without learning the language or anything, but I'd be doing myself and their country a disservice. Do you honestly think the immigrants who did all that shit want to see people cut the system? I'll give you a hint, no they don't. Illegal immigration causes family hardship, deaths from the journey, 33% chance of rape for girls, human trafficking, cartel violence / funding, gang proliferation, etc. Supporting that enables those things to continue. You aren't being compassionate, you're being childish.
  - omegaworks 5y ago
    >No other country just lets you walk in There's a massive difference between "just walk in" and what we actually have: waiting a hundred years for the probable chance at a backlog somewhere being cleared to process your highly restrictive visa. You are being hyperbolic. >Illegal immigration causes family hardship, deaths from the journey, 33% chance of rape for girls, human trafficking, cartel violence / funding, gang proliferation, etc. All those effects are caused by the militarization of the border and the failure to create realistic paths to citizenship. You are blaming the victims of our system for the horrors that are visited upon them by people that take advantage of the artificially high barriers.