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As a Hungarian and an American, my reaction when reading that we should avoid the Karikó problem by funding more diverse people, my first thought was how Hungar
by yosito 5y ago
As a Hungarian and an American, my reaction when reading that we should avoid the Karikó problem by funding more diverse people, my first thought was how Hungarians are often not considered “diverse” in the US because they have white skin, and the US has a very binary view of what makes someone a minority.
- selimthegrim 5y agoHave you ever been to the Midwest?
- nulbyte 5y agoNot GP, and not expressing agreement or disagreement with GP, but those of us of Hungarian descent make up less than 1% of the population nationally according to 2018 census estimates, and 1% or less of the population throughout much of the Midwest according to data from the American Community Survey as recent as 2019. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Americans https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Americans
- selimthegrim 5y agoI am not disagreeing with him, but Cleveland (where I grew up) and Pittsburgh nearby had vibrant Hungarian communities.
- jltsiren 5y agoI think the issue is the tendency to group "X" and "Americans with X ancestry" together. I can't speak for Hungarians, but someone born to Finnish parents in the US is culturally not Finnish, if they have lived their entire life in the US. Their ancestry may be Finnish, but they have missed all the shared experiences and key events that have shaped recent Finnish culture.
- inglor_cz 5y agoOh, definitely. I am half-Bulgarian, but for all practical purposes I am a Czech, though none of my grandparents actually were (the rest were Slovak).
- sz4kerto 5y agoThis is something that bothers me often about the US-centric view about DEI. I got lectured by a white guy from the US a couple of times wrt. not focusing enough on skin color and gender/sex when e.g. hiring, but somehow he was totally blind to the fact that e.g. a black woman from New York or London is not necessarily disadvantaged compared to a white male who grew up in rural Romania for example. But nobody really cares of the latter. The same person explained that a 5% wage gap between women and men in a certain field needs immediate action but it's 'fair' that there's a 70% wage gap between his salary and the salary of someone from Eastern Europe (working in the same role at the same company). Oh well.
- Al-Khwarizmi 5y agoAs a white-skinned male, but non-native English speaker from a small university that doesn't appear in the ARWU ranking and their ilk, in a small city, in a country that is mediocre in research and far from the US, this really makes me cringe. I needed to master a foreign language for reviewers to not reject my papers because "bad English". I have had applicants to PhD positions reject my offer and go to objectively worse US groups with less productivity by any metric because "my parents want me to study at a US university" or "your group is good but I think that I need to go to a high-ranked university to improve my prospects" (not to speak about how many applicants I get vs. how many an US professor with equivalent track record would get). I spend a lot of hours on things like grading that US professors have TAs do for them. I have several times seen people cite "Person from Stanford/Google/etc. (2013) proved..." when I actually proved that in 2011 and that person was just citing my result. And still, I have to listen to female, white, native-English-speaking professors from elite US universities, lecturing me about how they are discriminated because some study said that women get cited less often, etc. and keep a straight face.