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I used the BJP as an example because it would not be too hard for readers to accept that they are "Right", yet an "anticolonialist" element is clear in their rh

I used the BJP as an example because it would not be too hard for readers to accept that they are "Right", yet an "anticolonialist" element is clear in their rhetoric. Also, while, say, China and the "century of humiliation" is another example of nationalist "anticolonialist" grievance, they don't identify with Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) and such (the CCP leadership is modernist and materialist), whereas the Hindu Right is more into cow-urine tinctures and the like. So it's a better example of the theme of the great-grandparent post. As for their links to the Nazis and Fascists, thank you for enlightening me. I had assumed that it was simply the Nazis who had borrowed symbols from India, but no, it does seem that the relationship went both ways: https://www.ibtimes.com/hindu-nationalists-historical-links-nazism-fascism-214222 https://www.ibtimes.com/hindu-nationalists-historical-links-... I do see, however, that after these facts, my argument that they can pass as "left" becomes weaker. Yet I still do think they can pass as such in many circles, because this history is not so widely popularized, among other reasons. I wonder about your reference to Hindi as a "constructed language" however. I didn't think it was. What are you referring to?

FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
Expanding on my last question. You had written, > [The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh] were speaking a language constructed intentionally to remove "Persian" influence, which seems on the verge of doing ethnic cleansing and I was confused, writing > I wonder about your reference to Hindi as a "constructed language" however. I didn't think it was. What are you referring to? not just because I think of Hindi as an organic language, but because what you're saying seems exactly backwards. If anything, I'd have thought (if you had BJP sympathies) that you might levy that sort of charge against the Tamil/Dravidian parties who resisted the imposition of Hindi education and official language by the Hindu nationalists: "Oh you Tamils with your exclusionary ethnostate!" It'd be a bit much, but somebody could say it. Because, let's strip euphemisms: "Persian" here means "Iranian", which is another spelling of "Aryan", i.e., the barely-prehistorical conquerors of the northern part of the subcontinent, who, very indirectly and with some strain, we might call the predecessors of today's Delhi-centered BJP. (For anyone else reading.) (If you really wanted to troll you could call them "foreign imperialists" and talk about kicking them out of India. That'd be absurd -- a bit like saying blonde Russians are really Swedes, going back to the Kievian Rus, and pointing to (blonde) Soviet Man as remaining chauvinism -- but if you wanted to turn "indigenous" politics and "decolonization" against them, you could do it. It'd be one way to make a point.) If there were a nationalist movement that would want an "Aryan-free ethnostate", it would be something like extreme Tamil nationalists, intent on bringing back Kumari Kandam from the depths, like some Nazis wanted Thule. Or are you talking not about the BJP's efforts to push Hindi, but their (more marginal) efforts to resurrect Sanskrit within the "Bharat", e.g., https://www.siasat.com/sanskrit-unifies-bharat-promote-it-rss-leaders-modi-1549306/ https://www.siasat.com/sanskrit-unifies-bharat-promote-it-rs... ? That would be more like other nationalistic language projects, like Gaelic and Hebrew. But even that is firmly within the Proto-Indo-European language family, so "Aryan". And their main goal remained "Hindi, Hindu, Hindustan" anyway, not Sanskrit. Thus, I remain confused. Maybe that was your true intention. If so, you've succeeded.

FooBarBizBazz 5y ago

Expanding on my last question. You had written, > [The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh] were speaking a language constructed intentionally to remove "Persian" influence, which seems on the verge of doing ethnic cleansing and I was confused, writing > I wonder about your reference to Hindi as a "constructed language" however. I didn't think it was. What are you referring to? not just because I think of Hindi as an organic language, but because what you're saying seems exactly backwards. If anything, I'd have thought (if you had BJP sympathies) that you might levy that sort of charge against the Tamil/Dravidian parties who resisted the imposition of Hindi education and official language by the Hindu nationalists: "Oh you Tamils with your exclusionary ethnostate!" It'd be a bit much, but somebody could say it. Because, let's strip euphemisms: "Persian" here means "Iranian", which is another spelling of "Aryan", i.e., the barely-prehistorical conquerors of the northern part of the subcontinent, who, very indirectly and with some strain, we might call the predecessors of today's Delhi-centered BJP. (For anyone else reading.) (If you really wanted to troll you could call them "foreign imperialists" and talk about kicking them out of India. That'd be absurd -- a bit like saying blonde Russians are really Swedes, going back to the Kievian Rus, and pointing to (blonde) Soviet Man as remaining chauvinism -- but if you wanted to turn "indigenous" politics and "decolonization" against them, you could do it. It'd be one way to make a point.) If there were a nationalist movement that would want an "Aryan-free ethnostate", it would be something like extreme Tamil nationalists, intent on bringing back Kumari Kandam from the depths, like some Nazis wanted Thule. Or are you talking not about the BJP's efforts to push Hindi, but their (more marginal) efforts to resurrect Sanskrit within the "Bharat", e.g., https://www.siasat.com/sanskrit-unifies-bharat-promote-it-rss-leaders-modi-1549306/ https://www.siasat.com/sanskrit-unifies-bharat-promote-it-rs... ? That would be more like other nationalistic language projects, like Gaelic and Hebrew. But even that is firmly within the Proto-Indo-European language family, so "Aryan". And their main goal remained "Hindi, Hindu, Hindustan" anyway, not Sanskrit. Thus, I remain confused. Maybe that was your true intention. If so, you've succeeded.