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We don't. We accept the most immigrants in the world by far. It's harder to get into other countries, especially long-term. If we end the visa lotteries, curb

We don't. We accept the most immigrants in the world by far. It's harder to get into other countries, especially long-term. If we end the visa lotteries, curb illegal immigration, we'll have more room for merit based immigrants.

omegaworks 5y ago
>If we end the visa lotteries, curb illegal immigration, we'll have more room for merit based immigrants. This is a total non-sequitor. Having "more room," removing the entirely artificial barriers to citizenship, has nothing to do with illegal immigration and visa lotteries. The people in charge can remove the barriers whenever they decide to, but instead they work to convince you that "illegal immigration" is causing the problem. They blame "illegal immigration" because it provides an easy scapegoat for their negligence, a convenient foundation on which to build mass support for their subsequent election while ignoring the problems their base actually has.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  Are there limitless resources? Is there a limit to immigration? Do other countries have limits? Answer these questions. Noone convinced me of anything, I determined my opinion based on experiences and facts. Yes illegal immigration takes away from legal immigration. Yes our immigration system needs updating. No, we don't agree on how to update it. Both sides have had congress. Your quarrel is not with me, but with your representatives. I scold mine every election cycle, have you ever?
  - omegaworks 5y ago
    >Yes illegal immigration takes away from legal immigration. Bullshit. This line of thinking is designed to get immigrants fighting and hating each other. A tool for the elites to divide immigrants into "deserving" and "undeserving" factions.
    - hunterb123 5y ago
      Nope. It's simply respecting the laws and being an adult. No other country just lets you walk in, I'd love to just walk into Japan and be a citizen without learning the language or anything, but I'd be doing myself and their country a disservice. Do you honestly think the immigrants who did all that shit want to see people cut the system? I'll give you a hint, no they don't. Illegal immigration causes family hardship, deaths from the journey, 33% chance of rape for girls, human trafficking, cartel violence / funding, gang proliferation, etc. Supporting that enables those things to continue. You aren't being compassionate, you're being childish.
      - omegaworks 5y ago
        >No other country just lets you walk in There's a massive difference between "just walk in" and what we actually have: waiting a hundred years for the probable chance at a backlog somewhere being cleared to process your highly restrictive visa. You are being hyperbolic. >Illegal immigration causes family hardship, deaths from the journey, 33% chance of rape for girls, human trafficking, cartel violence / funding, gang proliferation, etc. All those effects are caused by the militarization of the border and the failure to create realistic paths to citizenship. You are blaming the victims of our system for the horrors that are visited upon them by people that take advantage of the artificially high barriers.
bgdam 5y ago
As an Indian, the US is by far one of the hardest countries to get into long-term. There is constant uncertainty about when you'll be kicked out. This is why when I had the choice, I picked Germany over the US. Because I know that no matter what, in 3 years, I can apply for a PR, and in 8, citizenship. The new government is talking about reducing this time frame, but even if they don't it's still a lot faster than waiting decades for a GC. While the US is still the top immigration destination of choice amongst Indians, other English speaking countries are now easier to get into and most Indians prefer a stable future so they skip the US in favor of other countries. Long term, if the US wants to retain it's ability to attract top talent, they need to do away with place-of-birth based visa and GC restrictions.
andrewjl 5y ago
We accept fewer immigrants now than before. Immigration has thus far kept the percentage change of population positive, despite the fact that the number of Green Cards issued had been declining even before the pandemic. The most recent census recorded one the lowest percentages of population growth. And our low population density indicates we have plenty of room.

omegaworks 5y ago

>If we end the visa lotteries, curb illegal immigration, we'll have more room for merit based immigrants. This is a total non-sequitor. Having "more room," removing the entirely artificial barriers to citizenship, has nothing to do with illegal immigration and visa lotteries. The people in charge can remove the barriers whenever they decide to, but instead they work to convince you that "illegal immigration" is causing the problem. They blame "illegal immigration" because it provides an easy scapegoat for their negligence, a convenient foundation on which to build mass support for their subsequent election while ignoring the problems their base actually has.

hunterb123 5y ago
Are there limitless resources? Is there a limit to immigration? Do other countries have limits? Answer these questions. Noone convinced me of anything, I determined my opinion based on experiences and facts. Yes illegal immigration takes away from legal immigration. Yes our immigration system needs updating. No, we don't agree on how to update it. Both sides have had congress. Your quarrel is not with me, but with your representatives. I scold mine every election cycle, have you ever?
- omegaworks 5y ago
  >Yes illegal immigration takes away from legal immigration. Bullshit. This line of thinking is designed to get immigrants fighting and hating each other. A tool for the elites to divide immigrants into "deserving" and "undeserving" factions.
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    Nope. It's simply respecting the laws and being an adult. No other country just lets you walk in, I'd love to just walk into Japan and be a citizen without learning the language or anything, but I'd be doing myself and their country a disservice. Do you honestly think the immigrants who did all that shit want to see people cut the system? I'll give you a hint, no they don't. Illegal immigration causes family hardship, deaths from the journey, 33% chance of rape for girls, human trafficking, cartel violence / funding, gang proliferation, etc. Supporting that enables those things to continue. You aren't being compassionate, you're being childish.
    - omegaworks 5y ago
      >No other country just lets you walk in There's a massive difference between "just walk in" and what we actually have: waiting a hundred years for the probable chance at a backlog somewhere being cleared to process your highly restrictive visa. You are being hyperbolic. >Illegal immigration causes family hardship, deaths from the journey, 33% chance of rape for girls, human trafficking, cartel violence / funding, gang proliferation, etc. All those effects are caused by the militarization of the border and the failure to create realistic paths to citizenship. You are blaming the victims of our system for the horrors that are visited upon them by people that take advantage of the artificially high barriers.

bgdam 5y ago

As an Indian, the US is by far one of the hardest countries to get into long-term. There is constant uncertainty about when you'll be kicked out. This is why when I had the choice, I picked Germany over the US. Because I know that no matter what, in 3 years, I can apply for a PR, and in 8, citizenship. The new government is talking about reducing this time frame, but even if they don't it's still a lot faster than waiting decades for a GC. While the US is still the top immigration destination of choice amongst Indians, other English speaking countries are now easier to get into and most Indians prefer a stable future so they skip the US in favor of other countries. Long term, if the US wants to retain it's ability to attract top talent, they need to do away with place-of-birth based visa and GC restrictions.

andrewjl 5y ago

We accept fewer immigrants now than before. Immigration has thus far kept the percentage change of population positive, despite the fact that the number of Green Cards issued had been declining even before the pandemic. The most recent census recorded one the lowest percentages of population growth. And our low population density indicates we have plenty of room.