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Amazing that the 100 IQ elites all think they want a working class uprising, but when it happens they panic and smear them as every -ist and -ism label in the b

• colpabar 5y ago
  What gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist, but then turn around and say that any wrongdoing that happened during a protest for a cause they do agree with was just a couple of bad apples who had nothing to do with the movement. Does that really only happen on one side?
  • DonHopkins 5y ago
    Are you trying to say that there are "very fine people on both sides"?
    • colpabar 5y ago
      No, I tried to make my comment thoughtful and hoped someone would want to engage with it so maybe we could learn something.
      • BizarroLand 5y ago
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        • _-david-_ 5y ago
          What if you don't see the swastika? Should you be branded a Nazi? What happens if there is a good cause that you support and a random person comes with a Nazi flag? Should all the people leave? Protesting would effectively never be able to happen.
          • BizarroLand 5y ago
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            • mrhands556 5y ago
              There was a video of them kicking out some dude with a confederate flag. I’ve only seen the Nazi flag in a couple pictures and seemed like it was never in the middle of the rally. Source: https://thepostmillennial.com/canadian-trucker-convoy-confront-masked-man-confederate-flag https://thepostmillennial.com/canadian-trucker-convoy-confro... If you’re trying to discredit a group of people it’s pretty low hanging fruit to send people in with a Nazi flag for great photo ops to show the masses.
              • BizarroLand 5y ago
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                • mrhands556 5y ago
                  I haven’t seen any Nazi flags in the crowd but I haven’t been following it closely.
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    • SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW 5y ago
      this isnt a war against the nazis all modern causes are normal people on both sides with a few crazies because thats how populations work
  • refurb 5y ago
    You mean the CNN “Firey, but mostly peaceful protest” versus someone honking horns and articles published about “the threat of non-violence”?
  • marak830 5y ago
    No. If there are Nazis in your group, and you don't kick them out, you're a fucking Nazi. There is no reason to ever allow Nazis to have any sort of freedom. We literally had a world war about this.
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    • SuoDuanDao 5y ago
      But Naziism isn't a particular flag or moustache that everyone feels reflexive intellectual disgust towards. It's a seductive ideology harnessing the reflexive disgust of large groups of people. It's not defeated by punching or shooting 'the bad people' but by moral humility and careful consideration of second-order effects at the ballot box. No moral self-examination, disgust of the outgroup, arguing against private citizens' medical and bodily autonomy... does any of that sound familiar? What do you do when you realise you were the Nazi all along?
      • marak830 5y ago
        If they wave a Nazi flag, they are a Nazi. If you don't immediately kick them out, guess what? There is zero excuse for any group to put up with it.
        • SuoDuanDao 5y ago
          They do kick them out. Here's a video of them doing just that: https://www.facebook.com/CornwallBJJ/videos/986522782241975/ https://www.facebook.com/CornwallBJJ/videos/986522782241975/ What would it take for you to have an 'are we the baddies?' moment? Is symbology all that matters in that regard?
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  • bawolff 5y ago
    Perhaps i missed it, but how many other protests in canada involve defiling grave sites, stealing food from the homeless, etc. I can certainly agree that humans tend to demonize the sins of the other while turning a blind eye to their own side's, but is that really what is happening here? To me it seems like this protest is of a different type.
    • Gigachad 5y ago
      The BLM protests ended up in a lot worse. A few murders, a LOT of property damage, and a whole lot more. And yet they were largely supported by the media despite the bad apples.
      • bawolff 5y ago
        In canada? Do you have a source for that? (Not saying they were 100% peaceful,i know there was some unrest in montreal, but my understanding is it was quite minor and nothing like what you are describing)
        • 9935c101ab17a66 5y ago
          No, they don’t. You won’t get a reply. There were BLM protests across Canada, but they were widely considered to be peaceful, and the turnouts were minuscule compared to Those in the us.
  • FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
    My understanding is that they were very clearly comparing the Canadian government to Nazis, not expressing support for Nazis, but at this point I'd have to see photos to be sure. My own image searches only turn up upside-down Canadian flags, "Fuck Trudeau" slogans, and stuff about "freedom". I'd have to think that if somebody really wanted to undermine them and had such a photo, they'd have posted it. How bad is the reporting? I checked the NYT; https://archive.fo/Jny6X https://archive.fo/Jny6X It's not awful in any obvious way. It does describe the protest as "mostly peaceful". As that phrase is a little notorious, I laughed a little. Since NYT staff spend a lot of time on Twitter, I imagine they know the significance. But hey, if it was peaceful and they said so, then they've done their job ok there. The headline does have some negative connotations: The convoy "descends on Ottowa" (not, I dunno, "protesters gather to demand justice"). And there is one sentence that is incendiary enough that it really needs more context: "Some of them carried Canadian flags upside down; at least one flag had swastikas drawn on it." This invites the reader to draw one conclusion, but the meaning may be something else, as in my first paragraph. So I'd have to see to be sure. But no photos are forthcoming.
    • bastardoperator 5y ago
      Wearing a mask and mass genocide are not the same thing, they're not even in the same ballpark. If anything it weakens their entire argument. If you have any understanding of the holocaust you can in no way shape or form compare it to taking precautions during a global pandemic with a mask in public. All I see is a bunch on people that so badly want to be viewed as victims. I don't like wearing a mask either, but if me wearing a mask reduces the spread of a virus that has literally killed millions, I'll wear it, it doesn't hurt me, I'm not going to cry about it or use nazi symbolism to make a case.
      • GauntletWizard 5y ago
        Wearing and mass genocide are not the same thing, but wearing a Star of David is. That's how it started, and we know how it ends.
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  • sleepingadmin 5y ago
    >What gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist, There's actually pretty large bounty to identify the person who was holding that nazi flag. The assertion is that this was not one of the protesters at all. Afterall the trucker convoy is quite diverse given so many truckers are Indian. The CBC has been caught creating propaganda so many times: https://www.mississauga.com/news-story/7081133-opp-shuts-down-cbc-s-social-experiment-testing-racism-in-alliston/ https://www.mississauga.com/news-story/7081133-opp-shuts-dow... My favourite is this one: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/dear-qallunaat-white-people-inuit-sandra-inutiq-1.5020210 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/dear-qallunaat-white-pe... Don't worry, the CBC clears says "racism against white people does not exist" right on that page. CBC is on the record they don't hire white people anymore: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/cbc-no-caucasian https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/cbc-no-caucasian
• bawolff 5y ago
  I don't think this is a working class thing. The unions don't seem to be supporting it and a significant portion of the truckers don't seem to be on the side of the protesters.
• adriand 5y ago
  A good friend of mine put it this way, and he’s right: —- So far, the “peaceful” protestors have desecrated the national war monument and the Terry Fox statue, flown multiple Nazi flags and Confederate flags and large numbers of “Fuck Trudeau” signs, stolen food from a soup kitchen, assaulted and threatened reporters, thrown rocks at ambulances, smashed car windows, threatened anyone wearing a mask, defecated on the lawn of a house flying a pride flag, harassed mall workers so badly that they had to close the stores for their safety, blocked paramedics and health care workers from getting to the hospital, intimidated Ottawa residents so badly that many are afraid to leave their homes, and openly threatened to murder the prime minister and overthrow the government on the exact spot Cpl Nathan Cirillo was murdered defending the seat of government from a gunman.
  • ashwagary 5y ago
    Putting a paper sign and a hat on a statue isnt really desecration. The fact that they are attempting to overblow this tiny action makes me trust the media and the Canadian government even less.
• 9935c101ab17a66 5y ago
  Yikes. In what world is this a working class uprising? It has no meaningful ties to any labour movement, and it’s stated goal seems to be to force Trudeau to over rule provincial — not federal — mask mandates. All because this disorganized, disruptive and aimless rabble believe wearing a piece of cloth on your face is the deeply offensive and tyrannical. Has anyone actually been squeezed off online platforms for saying they are against mask mandates? I’d be SHOCKED if you could find any evidence to back that up. People HAVE been denied access to PRIVATELY OWNED social media companies because they spread hate, unfounded political conspiracies and worryingly misleading medical misinformation. Surely you’re not saying that there’s significant overlap between these two groups?
  • adamrezich 5y ago
    > In what world is this a working class uprising? how would you describe it?
    • loudtieblahblah 5y ago
      It's only working class when the DC chattering class approves of the poors actions.
  • yonaguska 5y ago
    > Has anyone actually been squeezed off online platforms for saying they are against mask mandates? Not masks, but I've been banned from most of Reddit for posting CDC stats about covid vaccines, questioning their value for younger people, and recounting adverse reactions in people I know, as well as questioning lockdown measures. I don't use any other social media. > worryingly misleading medical misinformation. Most of that worrying misleading information is now acknowledged to be "science" now- like the fact that the original vaccine does not make a difference between likelihood of spreading Omicron. Or getting banned for ascribing the Lab Leak theory, which is pretty much accepted as the most likely cause. > In what world is this a working class uprising? It has no meaningful ties to any labour movement, and it’s stated goal seems to be to force Trudeau to over rule provincial — not federal — mask mandates. If it were only about mask mandates, this protest would have occurred a year ago. It's about bodily autonomy and right to work. Just because no other labor movements seem to care yet, doesn't mean this isn't a labor issue. I understand that it's a provincial issue largely, but the federal employee vaccine mandates are just that- federal. And people have an issue with the federal guidelines, and federal pressure on provinces to fall in line. Much like the Biden admin has been "strongly encouraging" illegal federal mandates, but simply penning them and waiting for courts to challenge them. And incredibly incendiary statements blaming the pandemic on the unvaccinated instead of a host of other more relevant issues like our always-at-capacity healthcare system. And this is just conjecture, but people do suspect federal involvement in non federal matters. Trudeau, in his recent address from his lake house, has a portion of his speech not directed at us- the general public, rather he addresses other politicians in a really creepy, dystopian tone. > 'think long and hard about the consequences of your actions.' Either way, people are sick of the lockdowns and government overreach, none of which has been particularly effective, while simultaneously being detrimental, especially to those at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder. Not everyone has the privilege of working from home.
• loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  the elites were ok with blue haired vegans with neopronouns setting cities ablaze and setting up autonomous zones. They're not OK with trucks going honk honk to the point of entertaining the idea of military intervention. The hypocrisy and contradictions is expected at this point but never ceases to amaze me.