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> unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business So every protest that has ever happened ? If anything, the

by screye 5y ago

> unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business So every protest that has ever happened ? If anything, the associated violence and demands of the protest are pretty tame in comparison to what the BLM or Indian Farmers protests demanded. It is easy to dismiss the protestors because the reason for the protests sounds unimportant within our peer groups. However, a Democracy bestows equal rights onto people, and the validity of a protest is determined more so by its ability to be visible (the emotional fervor) than the merit of its points. > Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently Yep.

bryanlarsen 5y ago
> So every protest that has ever happened ? Ottawa, being the capital, gets two types of protests. The legal ones who get a permit have their route planned out in advance, and the police shut down the streets while the protest occurs. It's sort of like a parade. It's inconvenient and annoying, but no single street gets shut down for more than a couple of hours. And it's not just the agreeable protests that get permits. They pretty much have to give a permit to anybody who asks for one. For the illegal protests like the G20 occupation and when the indigenous people blocked a freeway exit, the police come in fast and hard. > If anything, the associated violence and demands of the protest are pretty tame in comparison to what the BLM or Indian Farmers protests demanded. Not in Canada. edit: there's a third type of protest, the small ones. You're welcome to stand on the sidewalk with a sign and yell as long as you don't interfere with anybody.
- screye 5y ago
  > stand on the sidewalk with a sign > legal ones who get a permit have their route planned out in advance So the kind of protests that don't matter ? A protest, by definition, is meant to display discontent from the masses because conventional means have failed. If a protest does not hit where it hurts, it isn't an effective protest. If shouting loudly worked, then twitter outrage would have been sufficient for pressuring the Govt. into accepting their demands. A slight tangent, but this is exactly why I dislike 'permitted' or 'side walk' protests. You're walking down a pre-cleared street supporting an already popular movement with institutional support to show what exactly ? It reeks of the kind of slacktivism that has been memed to death over the last decade. The people are clearly expressing their disillusionment with the overreach of the Govt. in terms of the intrusion of privacy permitted to the Govt. by law. If you are disillusioned by the system, of course you'd just extra-legal means to display your discontent. Now, the Govt. ofc is allowed to react with force. If anything, I support removal of actively destructive protests with force. But, the current Canadian Govt. has supported far more egregious protests in the other nations (specifically the farmers protests and 2020 riots). So, I am enjoying a bit of schadenfreude seeing Trudeau get a piece of his own medicine.
  - jonwithoutanh 5y ago
    This is all fine and dandy but these people aren't protesting the correct part of the government that has authority to enact the changes they want. That is, if we are talking about mask, and vaccine mandates. They need to protest their provincial governments for those changes. The Federal demands they have are for our democratic government to resign and instill a dictatorship made up of people of their choosing... Why the fuck should anyone listen to these people?
  - bryanlarsen 5y ago
    > So the kind of protests that don't matter ? 10,000 people marching through downtown get lots of attention and they get heard. They shut down the downtown core for most of a day, and inconvenience a lot of people. They attract lots of media attention. This protest is only 250 people.

by screye 5y ago

bryanlarsen 5y ago

> So every protest that has ever happened ? Ottawa, being the capital, gets two types of protests. The legal ones who get a permit have their route planned out in advance, and the police shut down the streets while the protest occurs. It's sort of like a parade. It's inconvenient and annoying, but no single street gets shut down for more than a couple of hours. And it's not just the agreeable protests that get permits. They pretty much have to give a permit to anybody who asks for one. For the illegal protests like the G20 occupation and when the indigenous people blocked a freeway exit, the police come in fast and hard. > If anything, the associated violence and demands of the protest are pretty tame in comparison to what the BLM or Indian Farmers protests demanded. Not in Canada. edit: there's a third type of protest, the small ones. You're welcome to stand on the sidewalk with a sign and yell as long as you don't interfere with anybody.

screye 5y ago
> stand on the sidewalk with a sign > legal ones who get a permit have their route planned out in advance So the kind of protests that don't matter ? A protest, by definition, is meant to display discontent from the masses because conventional means have failed. If a protest does not hit where it hurts, it isn't an effective protest. If shouting loudly worked, then twitter outrage would have been sufficient for pressuring the Govt. into accepting their demands. A slight tangent, but this is exactly why I dislike 'permitted' or 'side walk' protests. You're walking down a pre-cleared street supporting an already popular movement with institutional support to show what exactly ? It reeks of the kind of slacktivism that has been memed to death over the last decade. The people are clearly expressing their disillusionment with the overreach of the Govt. in terms of the intrusion of privacy permitted to the Govt. by law. If you are disillusioned by the system, of course you'd just extra-legal means to display your discontent. Now, the Govt. ofc is allowed to react with force. If anything, I support removal of actively destructive protests with force. But, the current Canadian Govt. has supported far more egregious protests in the other nations (specifically the farmers protests and 2020 riots). So, I am enjoying a bit of schadenfreude seeing Trudeau get a piece of his own medicine.
- jonwithoutanh 5y ago
  This is all fine and dandy but these people aren't protesting the correct part of the government that has authority to enact the changes they want. That is, if we are talking about mask, and vaccine mandates. They need to protest their provincial governments for those changes. The Federal demands they have are for our democratic government to resign and instill a dictatorship made up of people of their choosing... Why the fuck should anyone listen to these people?
- bryanlarsen 5y ago
  > So the kind of protests that don't matter ? 10,000 people marching through downtown get lots of attention and they get heard. They shut down the downtown core for most of a day, and inconvenience a lot of people. They attract lots of media attention. This protest is only 250 people.