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Do you have any that attempt to be unbiased, or hell, objective, that accuse Israel of being apartheid? I don't even care if they're biased if they're objective

Do you have any that attempt to be unbiased, or hell, objective, that accuse Israel of being apartheid? I don't even care if they're biased if they're objective. The NGO monitor is point by point, sourced, objective rebuttals. If that's not good enough for you, that's a personal problem with objectivity that you can sort out yourself. Amnesty International is neither unbiased nor objective. They've long been staunchly anti Israel with no objective basis. It shouldn't be a surprise that it's pro Israel sources providing objectively sourced rebuttals to the report. AI can be anti Israel all they want if their accusations stand up to even the most basic scrutiny or historical fact, but they don't. They're laughably and blatantly manipulative, deceitful, lies by omission, or just plain lies. There's nothing wrong with bias if you utilize verifiable facts in your arguments. Do you dismiss the arguments and points of black BLM supporters because you don't take black unabashedly pro black people seriously?

wbsss4412 5y ago
> The NGO monitor is point by point, sourced, objective rebuttals. Sourced, objective rebuttals you say. Let’s take a look at their issues under “methodology”: “Amnesty’s methodology section is opaque and inconsistent with internationally recognized fact-finding standards.” [0] The source in that passage leads to a book * Best Practices for Human Rights and Humanitarian NGO Fact-Finding (Nijhoff Law Specials) by Gerald M. Steinberg, Anne Herzberg, Jordan Berman (2012) Paperback* Who is the lead author, Gerald Steinberg? It would appear to be the president of NGO monitor. (Ann herzberg is also on their staff) [1] Unfortunately I don’t have the ability to exhaustively research all of their sources, but this is hardly credible. [0] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Practices-Humanitarian-Fact-Finding-Steinberg-Paperback/dp/B011DB7PGG https://www.amazon.co.uk/Practices-Humanitarian-Fact-Finding... [1] https://www.ngo-monitor.org/about/staff/ https://www.ngo-monitor.org/about/staff/
- defaultprimate 5y ago
  What objections do you have to the evidence presented and logic used? Again I'll ask, do you dismiss black BLM supporters on the basis that because they're unabashedly pro-black, they can't present objective, unbiased evidence and arguments for their support?
  - wbsss4412 5y ago
    You held them up because they “source” their piece and we’re “objective”. Sourcing yourself is not sourcing. Citing yourself is not objective.
wbsss4412 5y ago
Your standards for unbiased and objective are seriously questionable: https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-undisguised-agenda/ https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-undisguised-agenda/
- defaultprimate 5y ago
  Quick Google searches without vetting the assertions made by an author are not good practice She regularly lies by omission, and also leads the New Israel Fund, one of Adalah's chief financial supporters. https://www.camera.org/article/yehudit-karp-erases-history-of-high-court-rulings-in-favor-of-palestinians/ https://www.camera.org/article/yehudit-karp-erases-history-o... Adalah also defends known Hamas leadership and has absurd amounts of documentation regarding its true, more nefarious purposes. That's why it's met with suspicion and not seen as a champion of civil rights. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-court-nixes-recall-of-hamas-legislators-jlem-residency-1.5450696 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-court-nixes-rec... https://israelbehindthenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/InsideAdalah.pdf https://israelbehindthenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/I...

wbsss4412 5y ago

> The NGO monitor is point by point, sourced, objective rebuttals. Sourced, objective rebuttals you say. Let’s take a look at their issues under “methodology”: “Amnesty’s methodology section is opaque and inconsistent with internationally recognized fact-finding standards.” [0] The source in that passage leads to a book * Best Practices for Human Rights and Humanitarian NGO Fact-Finding (Nijhoff Law Specials) by Gerald M. Steinberg, Anne Herzberg, Jordan Berman (2012) Paperback* Who is the lead author, Gerald Steinberg? It would appear to be the president of NGO monitor. (Ann herzberg is also on their staff) [1] Unfortunately I don’t have the ability to exhaustively research all of their sources, but this is hardly credible. [0] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Practices-Humanitarian-Fact-Finding-Steinberg-Paperback/dp/B011DB7PGG https://www.amazon.co.uk/Practices-Humanitarian-Fact-Finding... [1] https://www.ngo-monitor.org/about/staff/ https://www.ngo-monitor.org/about/staff/

defaultprimate 5y ago
What objections do you have to the evidence presented and logic used? Again I'll ask, do you dismiss black BLM supporters on the basis that because they're unabashedly pro-black, they can't present objective, unbiased evidence and arguments for their support?
- wbsss4412 5y ago
  You held them up because they “source” their piece and we’re “objective”. Sourcing yourself is not sourcing. Citing yourself is not objective.

wbsss4412 5y ago

Your standards for unbiased and objective are seriously questionable: https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-undisguised-agenda/ https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-undisguised-agenda/

defaultprimate 5y ago
Quick Google searches without vetting the assertions made by an author are not good practice She regularly lies by omission, and also leads the New Israel Fund, one of Adalah's chief financial supporters. https://www.camera.org/article/yehudit-karp-erases-history-of-high-court-rulings-in-favor-of-palestinians/ https://www.camera.org/article/yehudit-karp-erases-history-o... Adalah also defends known Hamas leadership and has absurd amounts of documentation regarding its true, more nefarious purposes. That's why it's met with suspicion and not seen as a champion of civil rights. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-court-nixes-recall-of-hamas-legislators-jlem-residency-1.5450696 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-court-nixes-rec... https://israelbehindthenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/InsideAdalah.pdf https://israelbehindthenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/I...