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I don't know, but it's beautiful. Maybe because of the ratios, maybe because it looks so intentional, it relaxes me. At the same time, I find these boxes horri

I don't know, but it's beautiful. Maybe because of the ratios, maybe because it looks so intentional, it relaxes me. At the same time, I find these boxes horrible: https://nlc.p3k.hu/uploads/2019/07/ferencvarosi-helytorteneti-gyujtemeny-jozsef-attila-lakotelep-1024x755.jpg https://nlc.p3k.hu/uploads/2019/07/ferencvarosi-helytortenet...

ajuc 5y ago
I wonder why people always post commieblocks photographed in a cloudy day in the winter. Usually also just after they were built so no trees yet. In reality that's how they look like (3 photos from 3 different districts in my city): https://spoldzielnialsm.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Obecnie_3_800.jpg https://spoldzielnialsm.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Obecni... https://d-art.ppstatic.pl/kadry/k/r/1/7e/04/5ed7c0329f818_o_large.jpg https://d-art.ppstatic.pl/kadry/k/r/1/7e/04/5ed7c0329f818_o_... https://d-art.ppstatic.pl/kadry/k/r/1/79/a3/52da7c5466e91_o_large.jpg https://d-art.ppstatic.pl/kadry/k/r/1/79/a3/52da7c5466e91_o_... And frankly, they are much better designed than most modern neighborhoods built today in my country. A school, healthcare, some local shops, library, park, playground, sport infrastructure in 10 minute walking distance and public transport making it possible not to have a car. Also - for the CO2 emissions that canadian house causes you could comfortably support about 100 families living in the commieblocks. With no fancy solar panels nor heatpumps.
- tiborsaas 5y ago
  That was the first I've found. Have you lived in these? I have and they are terrible places to live in. Parking spaces are ridiculously under planned, because workers used took a bus, but today most families own at least one car. These buildings are near their end of life since they weren't designed to last. They are rather depressing to look at, but that's just me. Soundproofing doesn't exists, moving walls is limited, inner height is claustrophobic. I don't recommend to look up to these as any good. Maybe something to learn from.
  - ajuc 5y ago
    > Have you lived in these? Yes, in several different ones (when I was studying in Lublin I lived in 3 different places and later I rented a flat in Warsaw). I also lived in a detached house in countryside for most of my life and now I live in a reasonably modern neighborhood. I have a comparison. > Parking spaces are ridiculously under planned, because workers used took a bus That's the best feature of them. You can walk everywhere and cars are optional. Your kids can play with other kids without constant supervision. There's no vandalized underground passes stinking of piss where you get mugged. Old and disabled people can actually live there on their own. My wife's grandmother moved from a detached house to an old commieblock in a nearby city because of that - she doesn't drive anymore and living within walking distance of basically everything is a huge positive. > These buildings are near their end of life since they weren't designed to last. The ones in Poland are good to go for the next 30-50 years. It mostly depends on the rust protection for the concrete reinforcement. The cheapest ones with no protection are soon going to fall apart but we had very little of them. We built them with some galvanic protection. The ones with stainless steel are basically forever, but we had almost none of those. > inner height is claustrophobic 250 cm. The same as in modern blocks in Poland (my current flat has 255 cm and that mostly depends on what kind of floor you have). It's the building code still. In fact the building code is much worse now - for example distances between blocks are several times smaller and there's no requirement to plan utilities in new neighborhoods. The end result is this: https://static.polityka.pl/_resource/res/path/17/a1/17a1a73c-f135-45bb-9d01-b3aa8bef54c2_f1400x900 https://static.polityka.pl/_resource/res/path/17/a1/17a1a73c... Notice that it's all houses and parking, no utilities whatsoever. No public transport. Schools, shops, parks, health clinic - you need to drive through these tiny roads with your car to get to all of these. The end result is traffic jams and people sitting in their houses all day cause there's nowhere to go. I will grant you soundproofing is worse, but even in modern blocks you can still hear your neighbors.
    - tiborsaas 5y ago
      I'm glad that those neighborhoods in Poland are nice, in Hungary the panel blocks are mostly ghetto style places. Most people live there not because they like the lifestyle, but that's what they can afford. Weird, I'd trade a chance to live in a commie block for the modern blocks you linked to. But of course, I'd like to have my own land with my glass-concrete utopia home if money weren't an issue.

ajuc 5y ago

I wonder why people always post commieblocks photographed in a cloudy day in the winter. Usually also just after they were built so no trees yet. In reality that's how they look like (3 photos from 3 different districts in my city): https://spoldzielnialsm.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Obecnie_3_800.jpg https://spoldzielnialsm.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Obecni... https://d-art.ppstatic.pl/kadry/k/r/1/7e/04/5ed7c0329f818_o_large.jpg https://d-art.ppstatic.pl/kadry/k/r/1/7e/04/5ed7c0329f818_o_... https://d-art.ppstatic.pl/kadry/k/r/1/79/a3/52da7c5466e91_o_large.jpg https://d-art.ppstatic.pl/kadry/k/r/1/79/a3/52da7c5466e91_o_... And frankly, they are much better designed than most modern neighborhoods built today in my country. A school, healthcare, some local shops, library, park, playground, sport infrastructure in 10 minute walking distance and public transport making it possible not to have a car. Also - for the CO2 emissions that canadian house causes you could comfortably support about 100 families living in the commieblocks. With no fancy solar panels nor heatpumps.

tiborsaas 5y ago
That was the first I've found. Have you lived in these? I have and they are terrible places to live in. Parking spaces are ridiculously under planned, because workers used took a bus, but today most families own at least one car. These buildings are near their end of life since they weren't designed to last. They are rather depressing to look at, but that's just me. Soundproofing doesn't exists, moving walls is limited, inner height is claustrophobic. I don't recommend to look up to these as any good. Maybe something to learn from.
- ajuc 5y ago
  > Have you lived in these? Yes, in several different ones (when I was studying in Lublin I lived in 3 different places and later I rented a flat in Warsaw). I also lived in a detached house in countryside for most of my life and now I live in a reasonably modern neighborhood. I have a comparison. > Parking spaces are ridiculously under planned, because workers used took a bus That's the best feature of them. You can walk everywhere and cars are optional. Your kids can play with other kids without constant supervision. There's no vandalized underground passes stinking of piss where you get mugged. Old and disabled people can actually live there on their own. My wife's grandmother moved from a detached house to an old commieblock in a nearby city because of that - she doesn't drive anymore and living within walking distance of basically everything is a huge positive. > These buildings are near their end of life since they weren't designed to last. The ones in Poland are good to go for the next 30-50 years. It mostly depends on the rust protection for the concrete reinforcement. The cheapest ones with no protection are soon going to fall apart but we had very little of them. We built them with some galvanic protection. The ones with stainless steel are basically forever, but we had almost none of those. > inner height is claustrophobic 250 cm. The same as in modern blocks in Poland (my current flat has 255 cm and that mostly depends on what kind of floor you have). It's the building code still. In fact the building code is much worse now - for example distances between blocks are several times smaller and there's no requirement to plan utilities in new neighborhoods. The end result is this: https://static.polityka.pl/_resource/res/path/17/a1/17a1a73c-f135-45bb-9d01-b3aa8bef54c2_f1400x900 https://static.polityka.pl/_resource/res/path/17/a1/17a1a73c... Notice that it's all houses and parking, no utilities whatsoever. No public transport. Schools, shops, parks, health clinic - you need to drive through these tiny roads with your car to get to all of these. The end result is traffic jams and people sitting in their houses all day cause there's nowhere to go. I will grant you soundproofing is worse, but even in modern blocks you can still hear your neighbors.
  - tiborsaas 5y ago
    I'm glad that those neighborhoods in Poland are nice, in Hungary the panel blocks are mostly ghetto style places. Most people live there not because they like the lifestyle, but that's what they can afford. Weird, I'd trade a chance to live in a commie block for the modern blocks you linked to. But of course, I'd like to have my own land with my glass-concrete utopia home if money weren't an issue.