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I read somewhere yesterday that the city council approved the plan. For the shipbuilder to build the ship, it would need the city council approval dues to sizin

I read somewhere yesterday that the city council approved the plan. For the shipbuilder to build the ship, it would need the city council approval dues to sizing concerns. And somehow the city council approved it, even the council is aware of dismantling the bridge temporary. So I am not sure whose fault for allowing this. So it seems that it is the city council that approved this plan. So the investigation should be looking into those council for allowing this to happen in the first place.

rosndo 5y ago
Why should there be an investigation? Allowing this is an perfectly normal thing, shipbuilding is a crucial part of the local economy and the bridge was literally designed to do this.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  But it was not designed to be dismantled.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    The middle part was designed to come off cleanly, although that is pretty much an inherent feature of these designs and not necessarily a deliberate choice.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      Precisely, and because of the special status of that particular bridge the decision was made to not expose it to further risk. It's a bit like moving the Eiffeltower out of the way because some moron wants to move a building through Paris, but on a slightly smaller scale and with the bridge section already 'loosely coupled' to the supports. But the risk is real, witness what happened in Alphen and no amount of handwringing will put it back together if they something goes wrong during disassembly, storage or reassembly. It is now a part of our heritage and should be treated as such.
      - polishdude20 5y ago
        Fair enough. Although the blame and outrage should be pointed at the shipbuilder themselves. The news headlines like to muster up hatred for the rich any time they can because it's a juicier story. Sure, the guy bought a ridiculously expensive boat. He didn't have much to do about the bridge being taken apart.
        jacquesm 5y ago
        That depends. I wasn't there but I would assume the shipbuilder made this known to the buyer who may well have relied on his money to believe that this obstacle would not be an obstacle. Plenty of evidence for such behavior in the past. What I can't imagine is that it is a surprise for any of the parties involved.
jacquesm 5y ago
Incorrect. Local media reports that no permit request was made so therefore there could never have been issued a permit that allowed dismantling the bridge. In fact, the opposite has happened, there is a shitstorm brewing here that is likely going to have a particularly unpleasant billionaire and his toy on one side of that bridge and the rest of the municipality on the other. https://www.schuttevaer.nl/nieuws/actueel/2022/02/03/aboutaleb-nog-geen-vergunning-om-spoorbrug-de-hef-te-demonteren-voor-superjacht/ https://www.schuttevaer.nl/nieuws/actueel/2022/02/03/aboutal... If you read somewhere they have a permit then it would be nice to see the source. You can build any ship you want, you may not be able to move it around past a certain size. You also do not need a permit to build a ship.

rosndo 5y ago

Why should there be an investigation? Allowing this is an perfectly normal thing, shipbuilding is a crucial part of the local economy and the bridge was literally designed to do this.

jacquesm 5y ago
But it was not designed to be dismantled.
- rosndo 5y ago
  The middle part was designed to come off cleanly, although that is pretty much an inherent feature of these designs and not necessarily a deliberate choice.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Precisely, and because of the special status of that particular bridge the decision was made to not expose it to further risk. It's a bit like moving the Eiffeltower out of the way because some moron wants to move a building through Paris, but on a slightly smaller scale and with the bridge section already 'loosely coupled' to the supports. But the risk is real, witness what happened in Alphen and no amount of handwringing will put it back together if they something goes wrong during disassembly, storage or reassembly. It is now a part of our heritage and should be treated as such.
    - polishdude20 5y ago
      Fair enough. Although the blame and outrage should be pointed at the shipbuilder themselves. The news headlines like to muster up hatred for the rich any time they can because it's a juicier story. Sure, the guy bought a ridiculously expensive boat. He didn't have much to do about the bridge being taken apart.
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        That depends. I wasn't there but I would assume the shipbuilder made this known to the buyer who may well have relied on his money to believe that this obstacle would not be an obstacle. Plenty of evidence for such behavior in the past. What I can't imagine is that it is a surprise for any of the parties involved.

jacquesm 5y ago

Incorrect. Local media reports that no permit request was made so therefore there could never have been issued a permit that allowed dismantling the bridge. In fact, the opposite has happened, there is a shitstorm brewing here that is likely going to have a particularly unpleasant billionaire and his toy on one side of that bridge and the rest of the municipality on the other. https://www.schuttevaer.nl/nieuws/actueel/2022/02/03/aboutaleb-nog-geen-vergunning-om-spoorbrug-de-hef-te-demonteren-voor-superjacht/ https://www.schuttevaer.nl/nieuws/actueel/2022/02/03/aboutal... If you read somewhere they have a permit then it would be nice to see the source. You can build any ship you want, you may not be able to move it around past a certain size. You also do not need a permit to build a ship.