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For immigration to USA, whatever you do just don’t be born in India where wait to get Green Card is 2-3 decades (yes 20-30 years estimated wait). If only one co

by myth17 5y ago

For immigration to USA, whatever you do just don’t be born in India where wait to get Green Card is 2-3 decades (yes 20-30 years estimated wait). If only one could control the place of birth…

kingcharles 5y ago
Ugh. This is true. When I was at the US Embassy getting my fiancee visa I started talking to an African woman. She was very excited. She had just been called up to get her visa after being on the list for 18 FUCKING YEARS.
sremani 5y ago
I feel you -- I have family that is waiting for GC. But this is not the thread to despair -- take a look at his strategy pick the elements and execute. Also, understand sooner or later there is a legislative exit for this issue. I am sure, once there is great labor pressure in the US market, there would steps taken to mend the GC waiting line issue.
- bgdam 5y ago
  Or you could stop waiting and living for an uncertain future, and just move to a country which values your skills more than the place you were born. A lot of them are even better than the US (except for the pay).
CoastalCoder 5y ago
Honest question: Is there any downside to simply crossing into the U.S. via its southern border, or overstaying a visa? My impression is that the U.S. government mostly doesn't enforce its laws against unlawful entry. And that the Democratic party wants a path to full citizenship for anyone who manages to stay in the country long enough. So I'm curious if this approach would work: 1. Enter the U.S. illegally to start the clock. 2. Work remotely "from India" for some company. Have a trusted friend/relative in India forward enough of your paycheck to the U.S. to cover your cost of living. 3. When the political climate is right, get onto whatever path to citizenship is being offered.
- bgdam 5y ago
  This whole exercise would be moot, because the clock cannot be started by just entering the country. Specific paperwork has to be filed and then approved. The clock only starts after the approval.
  - CoastalCoder 5y ago
    Any idea which particular paperwork? I know that the Democratic party uses the term "undocumented" rather than "illegal", presumably for rhetorical reasons. But I assumed that they also meant "undocumented" in the literal sense, i.e. that a person would have little or no paper trail to prove their residence.
    - orangepurple 5y ago
      All you have to do is cross the border, get arrested, and then you're released and good to stay. The Transportation Security Administration confirmed to Fox News on Friday that it allows illegal immigrants to use arrest warrants as an alternative form of ID to board airplanes. "For non-citizens and non-U.S. nationals who do not otherwise have acceptable forms of ID for presentation at security checkpoints, TSA may also accept certain DHS-issued forms, including ICE Form I-200 (Warrant for Arrest of an Alien)," a TSA spokesperson told Fox News. That refers to a civil immigration arrest warrant, not a criminal arrest warrant. The agency added that the document will then be validated via an "alien identification number" being checked against a number of Customs and Border Protection (CBP) databases. "All passengers whose identity is verified through alternate procedures receive additional screening before being allowed into the secure area of the airport," the statement said.
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      - triceratops 5y ago
        > you're released and good to stay. But unable to drive legally, work legally, apply for benefits legally, or do pretty much anything else. Sure you can board a flight; for whatever that's worth. TSA accepts foreign passports as identification too so...I wouldn't say it's worth all that much.
sg47 5y ago
20 years since I came to the US and still no GC in sight (maybe this year). I'm at the mercy of my employer despite my TC being in 7 figures (yes, even with the stock crash)
- allisdust 5y ago
  Can't you just sponsor your own investor visa?
- otagekki 5y ago
  Wouldn’t it be easier to apply for an investor visa? There are quite a bunch of businesses you can start with a fraction of your yearly compensation.
  - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
    He missed out on the Hudson Yards scam where Harlem was extended to midtown so that investors could buy visas and fight urban blight with their own pied-a-terres.
- boojing 5y ago
  If you don't mind me asking, what visa are you on? H1-Bs are limited to 6 years so I'm guessing another temporary visa.
masterof0 5y ago
Can't you just get another nationality and then apply to the green card with that new passport?
- techsupporter 5y ago
  No, they "solved" that "loophole" by amending the law in the 1996 Immigration "Reform" Act to state that place of birth is used, not place of nationality. (Just another law in the long series of laws containing the word "reform" that makes things so much worse for the groups covered by the law.)
  - kvrk2000s 5y ago
    exactly, because, you know, "diversity"
dilippkumar 5y ago
>20 - 30 year estimated wait. From the Congressional research service's report on immigration backlog [1], for applicants from India, the projected backlogs for various employment-based green card applications applying in 2020 are: EB-1: 8 years. EB-2: 195 years. EB-3: 27 years. Projecting out to 2030, the report says (for Indian applicants): EB-1: 18 years. EB-2: 436 years. EB-3: 48 years. "20-30 years" has been wishful thinking for Indian applicants for a long time now. [1]. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46291 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46291 EDIT: I was bored, so I performed a linear extrapolation using the 2020 and 2030 estimates. Two points and a straight line through them gives: eb-1 eb-2 eb-3 2024 12 292 36 2023 11 268 34 2022 10 244 32 2021 9 220 30 2020 8 195 27 2019 7 171 25 2018 6 147 23 2017 5 123 21 2016 4 99 19 2015 3 75 17 2014 2 51 15 2013 1 27 13 All numbers in years. The numbers are rounded up to the next highest integer. Note that a straight line through these two points isn't necessarily the correct model but whatever.
- coconoco 5y ago
  What the difference between ev-1, 2 and 3?
- BhavdeepSethi 5y ago
  These numbers are probably off because USCIS wasn't processing any GC during the pandemic. As of now, EB-1 is current and EB-2 is 10 years.
  - dilippkumar 5y ago
    These numbers were estimates made from before the pandemic. If anything, the pandemic cut a few years of waiting as unused family slots rolled over into employment based slots. EB-2 is definitely not a 10 year wait.
- diebeforei485 5y ago
  Most people on EB-2 also qualify for EB-3, so the EB2 and EB3 numbers should be averaged out. Instead of 244 and 32 for 2022, perhaps it should be ~140 for each column. Not that it matters, of course.
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chana_masala 5y ago
> If only one could control the place of birth… Puny aur punarjanm
- chana_masala 5y ago
  Why the downvotes? I am a Hindu and this is a sincere answer and actual way of having influence on where you're born. Any other ideas?

by myth17 5y ago

For immigration to USA, whatever you do just don’t be born in India where wait to get Green Card is 2-3 decades (yes 20-30 years estimated wait). If only one could control the place of birth…

kingcharles 5y ago

Ugh. This is true. When I was at the US Embassy getting my fiancee visa I started talking to an African woman. She was very excited. She had just been called up to get her visa after being on the list for 18 FUCKING YEARS.

sremani 5y ago

I feel you -- I have family that is waiting for GC. But this is not the thread to despair -- take a look at his strategy pick the elements and execute. Also, understand sooner or later there is a legislative exit for this issue. I am sure, once there is great labor pressure in the US market, there would steps taken to mend the GC waiting line issue.

bgdam 5y ago
Or you could stop waiting and living for an uncertain future, and just move to a country which values your skills more than the place you were born. A lot of them are even better than the US (except for the pay).

CoastalCoder 5y ago

Honest question: Is there any downside to simply crossing into the U.S. via its southern border, or overstaying a visa? My impression is that the U.S. government mostly doesn't enforce its laws against unlawful entry. And that the Democratic party wants a path to full citizenship for anyone who manages to stay in the country long enough. So I'm curious if this approach would work: 1. Enter the U.S. illegally to start the clock. 2. Work remotely "from India" for some company. Have a trusted friend/relative in India forward enough of your paycheck to the U.S. to cover your cost of living. 3. When the political climate is right, get onto whatever path to citizenship is being offered.

bgdam 5y ago
This whole exercise would be moot, because the clock cannot be started by just entering the country. Specific paperwork has to be filed and then approved. The clock only starts after the approval.
- CoastalCoder 5y ago
  Any idea which particular paperwork? I know that the Democratic party uses the term "undocumented" rather than "illegal", presumably for rhetorical reasons. But I assumed that they also meant "undocumented" in the literal sense, i.e. that a person would have little or no paper trail to prove their residence.
  - orangepurple 5y ago
    All you have to do is cross the border, get arrested, and then you're released and good to stay. The Transportation Security Administration confirmed to Fox News on Friday that it allows illegal immigrants to use arrest warrants as an alternative form of ID to board airplanes. "For non-citizens and non-U.S. nationals who do not otherwise have acceptable forms of ID for presentation at security checkpoints, TSA may also accept certain DHS-issued forms, including ICE Form I-200 (Warrant for Arrest of an Alien)," a TSA spokesperson told Fox News. That refers to a civil immigration arrest warrant, not a criminal arrest warrant. The agency added that the document will then be validated via an "alien identification number" being checked against a number of Customs and Border Protection (CBP) databases. "All passengers whose identity is verified through alternate procedures receive additional screening before being allowed into the secure area of the airport," the statement said.
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    - triceratops 5y ago
      > you're released and good to stay. But unable to drive legally, work legally, apply for benefits legally, or do pretty much anything else. Sure you can board a flight; for whatever that's worth. TSA accepts foreign passports as identification too so...I wouldn't say it's worth all that much.

sg47 5y ago

20 years since I came to the US and still no GC in sight (maybe this year). I'm at the mercy of my employer despite my TC being in 7 figures (yes, even with the stock crash)

allisdust 5y ago
Can't you just sponsor your own investor visa?
otagekki 5y ago
Wouldn’t it be easier to apply for an investor visa? There are quite a bunch of businesses you can start with a fraction of your yearly compensation.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  He missed out on the Hudson Yards scam where Harlem was extended to midtown so that investors could buy visas and fight urban blight with their own pied-a-terres.
boojing 5y ago
If you don't mind me asking, what visa are you on? H1-Bs are limited to 6 years so I'm guessing another temporary visa.

masterof0 5y ago

Can't you just get another nationality and then apply to the green card with that new passport?

techsupporter 5y ago
No, they "solved" that "loophole" by amending the law in the 1996 Immigration "Reform" Act to state that place of birth is used, not place of nationality. (Just another law in the long series of laws containing the word "reform" that makes things so much worse for the groups covered by the law.)
- kvrk2000s 5y ago
  exactly, because, you know, "diversity"

dilippkumar 5y ago

>20 - 30 year estimated wait. From the Congressional research service's report on immigration backlog [1], for applicants from India, the projected backlogs for various employment-based green card applications applying in 2020 are: EB-1: 8 years. EB-2: 195 years. EB-3: 27 years. Projecting out to 2030, the report says (for Indian applicants): EB-1: 18 years. EB-2: 436 years. EB-3: 48 years. "20-30 years" has been wishful thinking for Indian applicants for a long time now. [1]. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46291 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46291 EDIT: I was bored, so I performed a linear extrapolation using the 2020 and 2030 estimates. Two points and a straight line through them gives: eb-1 eb-2 eb-3 2024 12 292 36 2023 11 268 34 2022 10 244 32 2021 9 220 30 2020 8 195 27 2019 7 171 25 2018 6 147 23 2017 5 123 21 2016 4 99 19 2015 3 75 17 2014 2 51 15 2013 1 27 13 All numbers in years. The numbers are rounded up to the next highest integer. Note that a straight line through these two points isn't necessarily the correct model but whatever.

coconoco 5y ago
What the difference between ev-1, 2 and 3?
BhavdeepSethi 5y ago
These numbers are probably off because USCIS wasn't processing any GC during the pandemic. As of now, EB-1 is current and EB-2 is 10 years.
- dilippkumar 5y ago
  These numbers were estimates made from before the pandemic. If anything, the pandemic cut a few years of waiting as unused family slots rolled over into employment based slots. EB-2 is definitely not a 10 year wait.
diebeforei485 5y ago
Most people on EB-2 also qualify for EB-3, so the EB2 and EB3 numbers should be averaged out. Instead of 244 and 32 for 2022, perhaps it should be ~140 for each column. Not that it matters, of course.

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chana_masala 5y ago

> If only one could control the place of birth… Puny aur punarjanm

chana_masala 5y ago
Why the downvotes? I am a Hindu and this is a sincere answer and actual way of having influence on where you're born. Any other ideas?