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And fatigue. I think the entire world is just tired.

by jaxn 5y ago

alangibson 5y ago
Indeed. This comes up all the time in American political discussion. People on the left say that we're a worn out, declining empire. People on the right say we're falling apart due to the left. No matter your orientation, it's pretty clear that Neoliberalism, aka The Washington Concensus, is on its last legs. We're all just sort of hanging around waiting for the paradigm shift to start.
- drBonkers 5y ago
  Where do you think the paradigm will shift to?
  - alangibson 5y ago
    At this point in time capitalism is essentially mandatory, but people move toward authority when things go wrong. Liberalism has always been a luxury good. My fear is that we'll slowly shift from a Washington Concensus to a Beijing Concensus of authoritarian capitalism. Only fools and con men try to predict the future though.
maerF0x0 5y ago
I think also a lot of the world is negative minded towards the challenges they're facing. Mindset/framing makes a very big difference in how challenges are interpreted and how they stress the system. I would suggest there is a very general decrease in gratitude, humility, and an increase in entitlement.
- alangibson 5y ago
  It's well earned negativity. If you look at the "success" we've had with COVID-19 and climate change so far, there's little reason to believe we're up to the challenges that are here/coming. Yes, there is plenty that we could do, but very little that we will do. All that's left is to brace for impact.
  - maerF0x0 5y ago
    if we look at the human race's success across time though we've survived many pandemics and many hard to adapt to events. I guess it entirely depends on your scale of perspective, from individual and short term to species and long term. An example of support for success could be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCm9Ng0bbEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCm9Ng0bbEQ (Steven pinker TED talk)
    - alangibson 5y ago
      Oh we'll adapt. The question is at what cost.
  - sizzle 5y ago
    The fact that so many talented bright minds can be bought at a high enough price and forced to optimize targeted advertising instead of solving climate change or humanities most pressing issues is a sad state of affairs. I wish we could harness the brightest minds and give them everything they need to solve humanities hardest hitting problems, they shouldn’t have to worry about making money, etc. the KPIs are how many global crises they can avert and are measured by months, years, decades not quarters.
    - bradlys 5y ago
      You’d have to likely get rid of capitalism at that point. Ain’t happening. We’ll need something wiping out billions including the rich in order for that to have any traction… by then though - might be too late for society to feel like they should bother. After all - if they can’t feel the effects of their work within their lifetime - is it worth doing? Most would say no.
    - maerF0x0 5y ago
      > I wish we could harness the brightest minds and give them everything they need to solve humanities hardest hitting problems, I think more anti-corruption laws in government could help. I also think what you described was supposed to be the roles of Academia, but we turned them into job training facilities.

And fatigue. I think the entire world is just tired.

by jaxn 5y ago

And fatigue. I think the entire world is just tired.

Indeed. This comes up all the time in American political discussion. People on the left say that we're a worn out, declining empire. People on the right say we're falling apart due to the left. No matter your orientation, it's pretty clear that Neoliberalism, aka The Washington Concensus, is on its last legs. We're all just sort of hanging around waiting for the paradigm shift to start.

drBonkers 5y ago
Where do you think the paradigm will shift to?
- alangibson 5y ago
  At this point in time capitalism is essentially mandatory, but people move toward authority when things go wrong. Liberalism has always been a luxury good. My fear is that we'll slowly shift from a Washington Concensus to a Beijing Concensus of authoritarian capitalism. Only fools and con men try to predict the future though.

maerF0x0 5y ago

I think also a lot of the world is negative minded towards the challenges they're facing. Mindset/framing makes a very big difference in how challenges are interpreted and how they stress the system. I would suggest there is a very general decrease in gratitude, humility, and an increase in entitlement.

alangibson 5y ago
It's well earned negativity. If you look at the "success" we've had with COVID-19 and climate change so far, there's little reason to believe we're up to the challenges that are here/coming. Yes, there is plenty that we could do, but very little that we will do. All that's left is to brace for impact.
- maerF0x0 5y ago
  if we look at the human race's success across time though we've survived many pandemics and many hard to adapt to events. I guess it entirely depends on your scale of perspective, from individual and short term to species and long term. An example of support for success could be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCm9Ng0bbEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCm9Ng0bbEQ (Steven pinker TED talk)
  - alangibson 5y ago
    Oh we'll adapt. The question is at what cost.
- sizzle 5y ago
  The fact that so many talented bright minds can be bought at a high enough price and forced to optimize targeted advertising instead of solving climate change or humanities most pressing issues is a sad state of affairs. I wish we could harness the brightest minds and give them everything they need to solve humanities hardest hitting problems, they shouldn’t have to worry about making money, etc. the KPIs are how many global crises they can avert and are measured by months, years, decades not quarters.
  - bradlys 5y ago
    You’d have to likely get rid of capitalism at that point. Ain’t happening. We’ll need something wiping out billions including the rich in order for that to have any traction… by then though - might be too late for society to feel like they should bother. After all - if they can’t feel the effects of their work within their lifetime - is it worth doing? Most would say no.
  - maerF0x0 5y ago
    > I wish we could harness the brightest minds and give them everything they need to solve humanities hardest hitting problems, I think more anti-corruption laws in government could help. I also think what you described was supposed to be the roles of Academia, but we turned them into job training facilities.