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What if I had prior infection of Covid before vaccines were available? Why would I need to be forced to be vaccinated? Given that my health care system actually

What if I had prior infection of Covid before vaccines were available? Why would I need to be forced to be vaccinated? Given that my health care system actually registers this prior infection. While we don't have vaccines for everyone in the world.

KptMarchewa 5y ago
We have way more than enough for anyone who wants it.
boomboomsubban 5y ago
Given that the poster said norovirus immunity lasts from 6-24 months, having been infected before the vaccine wouldn't guarantee you're safe. And while sure they could push back your vaccine requirement a few months, that'd require a fair amount of additional overhead and add an additional risk of having gotten a false diagnosis.
SigmundA 5y ago
Getting Covid should be treated as though you got a vaccine based on the data I have seen, which also means its immunity effects wanes over time and would need to be boosted periodically either by reinfection or vaccine, again the vaccine being the safer approach. Whether or not you should be "forced" to take it should be based on risk to others in the situation that it is being forced, just like you are "forced" to not speed while driving on a public highway. I am not sure what the current latest scientific data is but my understanding is that virus and vaccine both reduce the risk of a subsequent infection, spreading the virus if infected and getting severe outcomes requires hospitalization (which reduces hospital capacity). Since this protective effect fades in both circumstances a recent booster would need to be "forced" if not recently having been infected assuming there is no issue with vaccine supply.
- naasking 5y ago
  > Whether or not you should be "forced" to take it should be based on risk to others in the situation that it is being forced, just like you are "forced" to not speed while driving on a public highway. I really wish people would stop using this analogy. Driving is a privilege not a right, and you earn that privilege by following the rules. Living without compulsory medical procedures is a right, not a privilege, so it's the complete opposite case. You need a better analogy.
  - was8309 5y ago
    aren't vaccine mandates for participation in a shared environment - like work?
    - naasking 5y ago
      Mandates are being used in many different ways depending on the country. But even if it were limited to work, the right to work is also recognized as a human right so the analogy to driving still fails.
  - SigmundA 5y ago
    In the US the mandates allow a choice to either vaccinate or get regular testing. No one is being made to take a vaccine against their will in the US at least, they must however take precautions to protect others from their risky behavior. You have a right to bear arms here in the US that does not mean you can shoot them in a public place because that endangers others. Typically rights have limits when they impose on others rights. Working is a privilege was well not a right, you have no right to a job at an employer (at least in the US). So the analogy fits as a privilege but it also works as a right since neither are absolute and are typically limited when they effect others around you negatively.
    - naasking 5y ago
      I agree rights have limits when they conflict with other rights. However the right to work is a right under the UN human rights code. That doesn't mean you have a right to work at any particular place, but it does mean if vaccines are a prerequisite for any kind of work, either by government fiat or by broad corporate consensus, that would be a violation of human rights. Using tests to balance vaccines is one way to address that, but some countries don't even take those considerations and want to blanket mandate vaccines.
      - SigmundA 5y ago
        If it where a prerequisite to vaccinate with no other choice to find work anywhere (even remote from home jobs) or even say a majority of places I might agree, but that is not even close to the case here in the US. I think the UN humans rights could also be interpreted as I having the right to a safe work environment and conversely if I where forced to work in a common office space with unvaccinated / untested people that would also violate my rights.

KptMarchewa 5y ago

We have way more than enough for anyone who wants it.

boomboomsubban 5y ago

Given that the poster said norovirus immunity lasts from 6-24 months, having been infected before the vaccine wouldn't guarantee you're safe. And while sure they could push back your vaccine requirement a few months, that'd require a fair amount of additional overhead and add an additional risk of having gotten a false diagnosis.

SigmundA 5y ago

Getting Covid should be treated as though you got a vaccine based on the data I have seen, which also means its immunity effects wanes over time and would need to be boosted periodically either by reinfection or vaccine, again the vaccine being the safer approach. Whether or not you should be "forced" to take it should be based on risk to others in the situation that it is being forced, just like you are "forced" to not speed while driving on a public highway. I am not sure what the current latest scientific data is but my understanding is that virus and vaccine both reduce the risk of a subsequent infection, spreading the virus if infected and getting severe outcomes requires hospitalization (which reduces hospital capacity). Since this protective effect fades in both circumstances a recent booster would need to be "forced" if not recently having been infected assuming there is no issue with vaccine supply.

naasking 5y ago
> Whether or not you should be "forced" to take it should be based on risk to others in the situation that it is being forced, just like you are "forced" to not speed while driving on a public highway. I really wish people would stop using this analogy. Driving is a privilege not a right, and you earn that privilege by following the rules. Living without compulsory medical procedures is a right, not a privilege, so it's the complete opposite case. You need a better analogy.
- was8309 5y ago
  aren't vaccine mandates for participation in a shared environment - like work?
  - naasking 5y ago
    Mandates are being used in many different ways depending on the country. But even if it were limited to work, the right to work is also recognized as a human right so the analogy to driving still fails.
- SigmundA 5y ago
  In the US the mandates allow a choice to either vaccinate or get regular testing. No one is being made to take a vaccine against their will in the US at least, they must however take precautions to protect others from their risky behavior. You have a right to bear arms here in the US that does not mean you can shoot them in a public place because that endangers others. Typically rights have limits when they impose on others rights. Working is a privilege was well not a right, you have no right to a job at an employer (at least in the US). So the analogy fits as a privilege but it also works as a right since neither are absolute and are typically limited when they effect others around you negatively.
  - naasking 5y ago
    I agree rights have limits when they conflict with other rights. However the right to work is a right under the UN human rights code. That doesn't mean you have a right to work at any particular place, but it does mean if vaccines are a prerequisite for any kind of work, either by government fiat or by broad corporate consensus, that would be a violation of human rights. Using tests to balance vaccines is one way to address that, but some countries don't even take those considerations and want to blanket mandate vaccines.
    - SigmundA 5y ago
      If it where a prerequisite to vaccinate with no other choice to find work anywhere (even remote from home jobs) or even say a majority of places I might agree, but that is not even close to the case here in the US. I think the UN humans rights could also be interpreted as I having the right to a safe work environment and conversely if I where forced to work in a common office space with unvaccinated / untested people that would also violate my rights.