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The dish won't work since it knows where it is via GPS and where it is supposed to be. There is a little bit of tolerance in where the dish can be moved, but ce

The dish won't work since it knows where it is via GPS and where it is supposed to be. There is a little bit of tolerance in where the dish can be moved, but certainly not 70 miles of leeway.

gambiting 5y ago
Ha, reminds me of the tiny 3G picostations you could get from your mobile operator for a while when 3G was in its infancy - if you said you had really poor signal at your home, they would send you a small 3G station you could use in your home and which used your own internet for data and calls....but the hardware had a GPS built in to make sure it was never moved from the address it was assigned to(otherwise you could take it say, abroad, and make calls with your own numbers without paying for roaming - not that in that specific scenario paying for roaming would have made any sense anyway).
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  If you were to take it abroad your provider would also not have a license to use the frequencies it needs.
- Danieru 5y ago
  The geo tieing makes more sense as a product of spectrum regulation. If you move the Pico station they might not even own the resulting local spectrum.
- the-dude 5y ago
  I only ever heard the term Femtocell for this. Also, wouldn't an IP check suffice? Are you sure it had GPS?
  - gambiting 5y ago
    Yep - https://www.engadget.com/2007-03-28-hands-on-with-the-samsung-ubicell.html https://www.engadget.com/2007-03-28-hands-on-with-the-samsun... IP would be absolutely trivial to spoof so that's not a proof of anything really.
  - jdofaz 5y ago
    The one I had years ago did have GPS, I was told the reason was for accurate 911 locating. It was a hassle because we were trying to use it in an office and the GPS antenna needed to be near a window.
  - gruez 5y ago
    >Are you sure it had GPS? AFAIK even regular cell sites have GPS for timing purposes.
  - mpmpmpmp 5y ago
    My static IP geolocates to a town 50 miles away. So unless it's some list that has good accuracy i wouldn't think so.
- csours 5y ago
  So, some cars have a decent antenna/hardware for 4G/5G to WiFi bridge; would it make sense to have a picostation inside the car as a repeater?
- shagie 5y ago
  > hardware had a GPS built in to make sure it was never moved from the address it was assigned to There are also 911 implications. https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.nena.org/resource/collection/1F053CE7-3DCD-4DD4-9939-58F86BA03EF7/NENA_03-509-v1_Femtocell_UMA_Appendix.pdf https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.nena.org/resource/collection/1F053... If you move it, and call 911 - how does the carrier determine the address where the call originated?
- jws 5y ago
  ATT's product along this line was a complete failure for me. I didn't have a street address at the fixed (albeit remote) location, and there were no street addresses I could pretend to have within its tolerable radius. They had no way of enabling the device without it being near a street address. The technology would have worked just fine, they just couldn't fill in their E911 entry with anything that would work.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  The GPS was also required for time sync for interconnectivity with the cellular network, to my understanding.
KennyBlanken 5y ago
> There is a little bit of tolerance in where the dish can be moved, There is so little tolerance that people are finding the dish only works say, in their driveway because the dish's required location is based off mapping data that puts a certain address at certain coordinates, regardless of where the house is (which might be set back considerably from the road.)

The dish won't work since it knows where it is via GPS and where it is supposed to be. There is a little bit of tolerance in where the dish can be moved, but certainly not 70 miles of leeway.

gambiting 5y ago

Ha, reminds me of the tiny 3G picostations you could get from your mobile operator for a while when 3G was in its infancy - if you said you had really poor signal at your home, they would send you a small 3G station you could use in your home and which used your own internet for data and calls....but the hardware had a GPS built in to make sure it was never moved from the address it was assigned to(otherwise you could take it say, abroad, and make calls with your own numbers without paying for roaming - not that in that specific scenario paying for roaming would have made any sense anyway).

tinus_hn 5y ago
If you were to take it abroad your provider would also not have a license to use the frequencies it needs.
Danieru 5y ago
The geo tieing makes more sense as a product of spectrum regulation. If you move the Pico station they might not even own the resulting local spectrum.
the-dude 5y ago
I only ever heard the term Femtocell for this. Also, wouldn't an IP check suffice? Are you sure it had GPS?
- gambiting 5y ago
  Yep - https://www.engadget.com/2007-03-28-hands-on-with-the-samsung-ubicell.html https://www.engadget.com/2007-03-28-hands-on-with-the-samsun... IP would be absolutely trivial to spoof so that's not a proof of anything really.
- jdofaz 5y ago
  The one I had years ago did have GPS, I was told the reason was for accurate 911 locating. It was a hassle because we were trying to use it in an office and the GPS antenna needed to be near a window.
- gruez 5y ago
  >Are you sure it had GPS? AFAIK even regular cell sites have GPS for timing purposes.
- mpmpmpmp 5y ago
  My static IP geolocates to a town 50 miles away. So unless it's some list that has good accuracy i wouldn't think so.
csours 5y ago
So, some cars have a decent antenna/hardware for 4G/5G to WiFi bridge; would it make sense to have a picostation inside the car as a repeater?
shagie 5y ago
> hardware had a GPS built in to make sure it was never moved from the address it was assigned to There are also 911 implications. https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.nena.org/resource/collection/1F053CE7-3DCD-4DD4-9939-58F86BA03EF7/NENA_03-509-v1_Femtocell_UMA_Appendix.pdf https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.nena.org/resource/collection/1F053... If you move it, and call 911 - how does the carrier determine the address where the call originated?
jws 5y ago
ATT's product along this line was a complete failure for me. I didn't have a street address at the fixed (albeit remote) location, and there were no street addresses I could pretend to have within its tolerable radius. They had no way of enabling the device without it being near a street address. The technology would have worked just fine, they just couldn't fill in their E911 entry with anything that would work.
FireBeyond 5y ago
The GPS was also required for time sync for interconnectivity with the cellular network, to my understanding.

KennyBlanken 5y ago

> There is a little bit of tolerance in where the dish can be moved, There is so little tolerance that people are finding the dish only works say, in their driveway because the dish's required location is based off mapping data that puts a certain address at certain coordinates, regardless of where the house is (which might be set back considerably from the road.)