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>I’m simply describing reality That's clearly untrue. You're claiming there isn't a systemic problem, I'm claiming there is. >It’s more complicated than simpl

by scythe 5y ago

>I’m simply describing reality That's clearly untrue. You're claiming there isn't a systemic problem, I'm claiming there is. >It’s more complicated than simply supply and demand It's never more complicated than supply and demand; it's just that supply and demand are, themselves, both very complicated. If housing was just determined by such factors as climate and price, everyone would move to Silver City, New Mexico. Despite fantastic weather, relatively low prices and a beautiful mountain setting, it has seen a sharp population decrease over the last decade. This isn't a matter of people being irrational, or "wanting" to live in "desirable" areas. It's a matter of people needing to live in productive areas. Denial won't make it go away.

endisneigh 5y ago
I never said it’s not a problem, though. You’re basically addressing things I never claimed to begin with. >>>> Housing is already very cheap in places no one wants to live in. >>> But this isn't a solution, it's a tautology >> No one said it’s a solution, I’m simply describing reality, as you’ve also concluded. > That's clearly untrue. You're claiming there isn't a systemic problem, I'm claiming there is. I have no idea who you’re even responding to.
- scythe 5y ago
  The problem is your use of the word "wants". When I moved to San Francisco in 2014, it wasn't because I wanted to. I liked it there; I think San Francisco is certainly a desirable place to live, but that doesn't actually matter. The fact is, in 2014, I was planning to move to Portland, which, in 2014, was much more affordable than it is today. But I found a job in San Francisco before I found anything in Portland. That didn't happen because I thought San Francisco was desirable, it happened because people, except for the very few who make a lot of money working remotely, do not move somewhere simply because they want to. Otherwise, I would have moved to Costa Rica. "Housing is already very cheap in places where there are few jobs, poor services and little infrastructure." See the difference?

by scythe 5y ago

endisneigh 5y ago

I never said it’s not a problem, though. You’re basically addressing things I never claimed to begin with. >>>> Housing is already very cheap in places no one wants to live in. >>> But this isn't a solution, it's a tautology >> No one said it’s a solution, I’m simply describing reality, as you’ve also concluded. > That's clearly untrue. You're claiming there isn't a systemic problem, I'm claiming there is. I have no idea who you’re even responding to.

scythe 5y ago
The problem is your use of the word "wants". When I moved to San Francisco in 2014, it wasn't because I wanted to. I liked it there; I think San Francisco is certainly a desirable place to live, but that doesn't actually matter. The fact is, in 2014, I was planning to move to Portland, which, in 2014, was much more affordable than it is today. But I found a job in San Francisco before I found anything in Portland. That didn't happen because I thought San Francisco was desirable, it happened because people, except for the very few who make a lot of money working remotely, do not move somewhere simply because they want to. Otherwise, I would have moved to Costa Rica. "Housing is already very cheap in places where there are few jobs, poor services and little infrastructure." See the difference?