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I'd love to now see Google follow suit for Android. They have air-cover now that Apple has done it. And, if they don't, I hope Apple beats them up on how this

I'd love to now see Google follow suit for Android. They have air-cover now that Apple has done it. And, if they don't, I hope Apple beats them up on how this is a unique feature of iPhone re: protecting your privacy - the value of which was just quantifiably proven by how much it impacted Facebook to block it.

pjmlp 5y ago
Except Google isn't like Apple, their business model depends on harvesting Android users, see yesterday's thread about force activation of movement tracking.
- echelon 5y ago
  We shouldn't be proud of that. The fact that the market is a duopoly, with the 50+% option being an expensive, locked down, "luxury brand" that gets taxed and controlled like a dictatorship is not good. Spying or straight jacket protection racket. Gross. The market should have way more devices, OSes, and shouldn't rely on advertising. The DOJ needs to break up both Apple and Google so we have fairer competition and better options for consumers and small businesses. I really hope Framework, Pinephone, Fairphone, DuckDuckGo, Mozilla, et al. can find cracks in the giants and grow. But it's really hard when they have so much unassailable power.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    I was an happy Symbian user, then an happy WP user, so it is. As for GNU/Linux based phones, it is always the same OpenMoko like story, I don't have high hopes for them.
arepublicadoceu 5y ago
> I'd love to now see Google follow suit for Android You hope that google, an advertising company, will follow apple, a hardware/service company, to block trackers and diminishes the effectiveness of ads? Even if, by any chance, google made a move against tracking, I only believe in google reducing the effectiveness of their adversaries (like removing third party cookies) not themselves.
- onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
  Apple's changes don't affect their ads. Google could do the same thing. The thing is - Google DOESN'T track you on Android unless you opt-in already. They're pretty sneaky about getting people to opt-in. But they could do this, and it wouldn't even hurt them. But maybe it would bring regulation? Maybe it's coming? One can hope...
caskstrength 5y ago
AFAIK you can chose to disable (zero out) advertising ID in Android settings since version 12.
- callmeal 5y ago
  You cannot disable the advertising ID. You can _reset_ it, and what that reset does is start collecting personal tracking information under another id. Now unless you remember to reset this id every day, you are being tracked.
  - caskstrength 5y ago
    LMGTFY: As part of Google Play services update in late 2021, the advertising ID will be removed when a user opts out of personalization using advertising ID in Android Settings. Any attempts to access the identifier will receive a string of zeros instead of the identifier. https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/6048248?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ...

pjmlp 5y ago

Except Google isn't like Apple, their business model depends on harvesting Android users, see yesterday's thread about force activation of movement tracking.

echelon 5y ago
We shouldn't be proud of that. The fact that the market is a duopoly, with the 50+% option being an expensive, locked down, "luxury brand" that gets taxed and controlled like a dictatorship is not good. Spying or straight jacket protection racket. Gross. The market should have way more devices, OSes, and shouldn't rely on advertising. The DOJ needs to break up both Apple and Google so we have fairer competition and better options for consumers and small businesses. I really hope Framework, Pinephone, Fairphone, DuckDuckGo, Mozilla, et al. can find cracks in the giants and grow. But it's really hard when they have so much unassailable power.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  I was an happy Symbian user, then an happy WP user, so it is. As for GNU/Linux based phones, it is always the same OpenMoko like story, I don't have high hopes for them.

arepublicadoceu 5y ago

> I'd love to now see Google follow suit for Android You hope that google, an advertising company, will follow apple, a hardware/service company, to block trackers and diminishes the effectiveness of ads? Even if, by any chance, google made a move against tracking, I only believe in google reducing the effectiveness of their adversaries (like removing third party cookies) not themselves.

onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
Apple's changes don't affect their ads. Google could do the same thing. The thing is - Google DOESN'T track you on Android unless you opt-in already. They're pretty sneaky about getting people to opt-in. But they could do this, and it wouldn't even hurt them. But maybe it would bring regulation? Maybe it's coming? One can hope...

caskstrength 5y ago

AFAIK you can chose to disable (zero out) advertising ID in Android settings since version 12.

callmeal 5y ago
You cannot disable the advertising ID. You can _reset_ it, and what that reset does is start collecting personal tracking information under another id. Now unless you remember to reset this id every day, you are being tracked.
- caskstrength 5y ago
  LMGTFY: As part of Google Play services update in late 2021, the advertising ID will be removed when a user opts out of personalization using advertising ID in Android Settings. Any attempts to access the identifier will receive a string of zeros instead of the identifier. https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/6048248?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ...